please help!!! electrical gremlins!!!

[murft69]

Hello all I'm Derick
1969 standard Beatle
Fresh VW just bought it,i feel like i just joined a very cool club but iam on day three of wiring,
I Need to find out what relays are compatible
In using in place of blinker relay/flasher that comes standard i really don't have time to wait for the 3 week shipping
Any suggestions would be amazing

Also on the69 Where would i find the brake light switch it seems to be stuck on because the tail lights both of the filaments are lit when parking lights/running lights are on.
simple fix???

Thanks folks keep calm and vdub on

[sb001]

[ashman40]

As this is your first post, welcome to TheSamba.com !
This is probably the best online resource for air cooled VWs (acvws) on the Internet.

Are you only having problems with the flasher relay or were you asking also about the headlight dimmer relay?

You should first start with the wiring diagram for your model year. You can find most Beetle years here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiringt1.php

Depending on the flasher relay you have installed there are three wiring diagrams that cover the '69 model year (cars made from Aug '68 thru Jul '69). Does your car have the 7-prong "black/blue box" flasher relay, or the 3 or 4-prong relay? These came in various shapes and sizes so you will need to tell us. Here is what they look like:

The 7-prong relays are less common in '69 cars so I will assume you have a 3 or 4-prong flasher relay and a 7 or 8-prong E-Flasher switch.

As far as replacement flasher relays, these are common aftermarket replacements for the stock 3-prong flasher relay. Also, you should know that the 3-prong relays are a common replacement for the 4-prong flasher relays so you should be looking for a 3-prong like one of these:

The key things you should be looking for:

12v relay that uses negative ground

Application will be European cars (US generic relays will not work without modifications)

Look at the above pics and you will see common terminal numbering which indicate European-style relays. #49a and #31 are common output and ground terminal numbering. #49 (or sometimes just "+") is the 12v+ input. #KBL is dedicated turn signal indicator lamp (this terminal GROUNDS the lamp).

Tips: You may have better luck looking for an LED compatible European-style flasher relay. They are more common since they are a recent product. The EP-35s above have been noted as supporting LED lights. You should note that many of these aftermarket relays look similar, but not all are highly reliable. This is why some people spend the time looking for good OG VW/Bosch relays.

The turn signal indicator lamp in the speedo is where most people run into trouble when it comes to the correct/incorrect flasher relay install. The reason for this is the way the turn indicator bulb works. Most people assume it is grounded by the case of the speedo, it is not. The bulb holders for the three indicator lamps at the bottom of the speedo provide 12v+ to these bulbs. Each of the wires connected to the end of the bulb holders are a path to ground. When connected to the correct flasher relay, the output of the relay will normally alternate between 12v+ (to power the corner turn signals) and ground (-) to power the turn signal indicator. This is common for European turn signals... completely strange for US-style flasher relays. If you wire a US generic flasher relay in place of a European flasher relay it will typically turn ON, but not flash.


Option: If you must use a US generic flasher relay, disconnect/remove the turn signal indicator bulb in the speedo. By doing this, you can probably make ANY 12v flasher relay work in a Beetle. Even the 2-prong generic relay should work to make the turn signals and E-flashers blink. Just connect the "L" (load) terminal to the black/green/white wire(s). The white wire from the E-Flasher switch connects to the input side (12v+) of the relay.
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[ashman40]

[Joel]

[ashman40]

[murft69]

Okay looking at the relays I have one 5 prong dni 0127 vw
And a 4 prong blink-warnicht-relais 96m1j 2(4)lx21w-12v
These two relays are fried
One was filled with water and the other has parts shaking around inside
Is there a cheap replacement for these

[sb001]

[murft69]

Okay on the right track found relays this lil Grimlin is close to death thank you Samba with out you i would be lost bought some used relays from the pope brothers shop right up the road from me specializing in original vw i just need paint and body work