1965 Squareback.... To do the beam conversion or not?

golden age · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:32 pm Post subject:

thanks for the info! much appreciated. got a friend who is wanting to run wide five on his later model square so we're going to trade mine for his so we won't really be out a lot of cash which is always good!

golden age · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:43 pm Post subject:

my car is a good height now and doesn't rub at all so i'm hoping to keep it that way with the new wheel setup. will post a pic of mine when i figure out how. don't think the samba likes safari Wink

miomio · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:36 pm Post subject:

Mike Fisher · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject:

I just Google'd AEW Fuchs to find this etc.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6885116-...sche-Bolts
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BSQUARE · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:13 pm Post subject:

golden age · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:08 pm Post subject:

I'm guessing people would vote more for the flat four vs American eagle? Or am I wrong? The link below is what I was looking at:

http://www.piersideparts.net/CB4813.html

Mike Fisher · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject:

I like the detailed black & silver AEW wheels that look like the original Porsche Fuchs wheels. All polished aluminum flat four wheels do not compare IMHO.
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Yabbadubbadoo · Samba Member Joined: May 21, 2012 Posts: 914

Flat 4 have +45 offsets available so there's no trouble running those in 4.5 and 5.5 wide at the rear combo. There's also the 6j x 15 in +35 mm offsets which might be tempting for the rear for that deeper dish but I doubt they'll work without scrubbing the fender lip if the car were sitting low.
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Bobnotch · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:56 am Post subject:

golden age · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:56 am Post subject:

thanks for the input. so you think that even when i run short axles on the rear the deep 6 fuchs will rub?

does anyone know the dimensions/offset for the deep 6 fuchs?

Yabbadubbadoo · Samba Member Joined: May 21, 2012 Posts: 914

You wanna check out the Pelican parts forum for wheel tables for genuine Porsche wheels otherwise the 6jx15 flat 4 +35 I referenced above is what they call the deep 6. It's all on their site. http://www.flat4.co.jp/english/dtail-dr.html
I'm pretty certain the deep 6 will not scrub outer lip with short axles but the inner shock tower might need modification since the inner wall of the tyre is known to scrub the top bump stop area when doing short axle conversions with some wheel/tyre/ride height combinations.
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golden age · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:30 am Post subject:

thanks for the info. i do like those deep dish wheels on the rear. the tires i'm thinking of running are 185/65 15. you still think there will be a shock tower issue with those?

and i'm guessing pelican parts sells the same as flat4 in japan correct? would much rather pay shipping from the states that from japan.

supersuk · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:24 am Post subject:

I have the empi 5.5 fuchs on the rear with a short axle conversion. The inner lip of the rim will rub the shock tower. However, this only happens when going really really low. I have an air ride system so it rubs when going from fully aired out to ride height. I have some BBS RS rims that I will be switching to and those do not rub because of the offset that I have.

The deep 6 has a good offset for the short axle conversion and shouldn't rub.
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golden age · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:36 pm Post subject:

i am looking at the fuchs that john (hans) on the samba sells. looks like his fuchs are empi's and he does offer deep 6 wheels. have you heard anything bad about empi fuch repops? or is that what you're running? i know some people want what's official and correct but not all of us can afford original porsche wheels Wink

and do you have a type 3? thanks for the info.

turbomicrowaves · Samba Member Joined: February 25, 2007 Posts: 1136

The Empi fuchs are nice reproductions, I've never heard of anyone having any problems with them other than maybe the clear coat peeling off. Also, it's fairly common to run spacers with porsche wheels to keep them from rubbing the inner fender/shock tower.
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golden age · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:45 pm Post subject:

got my wheels in, center caps in and just ordered drums, rotors and adapters. wide five to porsche pattern conversion coming soon. will post pics of before and after. thanks for everyone who gave their input and help.

supersuk · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:09 pm Post subject:

Is there a reason why you're running adapters instead of the correct bolt pattern? Maybe I missed something, but i'm pretty sure you could've drilled your drums and hubs to have the 5x130mm. The front brake rotors are available with the 5x130mm holes already.

I thought I recently read on one thread that running long axles with the wide 5 to 5x130 made the rims rub the fender.

Btw, to answer your question - Yes, I have the EMPI fuch repops on my 68 fastback. I have short axles in the rear and that makes the 5.5 wide rims rub the rear subframe snubber stop on the top. I do have bags though, so if you're not lowering to the extreme, then you might not have to worry about it.
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luckystiff · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:30 pm Post subject:

the best front tire i've used on a low t3 is 185/55/15.

4.5 fronts and deep 6 rears you can run 185/55/15 and 185/65/15(or 195/65/15).

i ran 5.5 fuchs all around my square 4 spline front/2-3 spline rear direct drilled rotors up front and adapters out back.

i don't know where you are in nc but i'm over in hickory and am really good with fitting different tire/wheels on vw's esp t3s. my square has been through 6 wheel changes and has #7 hanging on the garage wall.

my square is now t1 converted with a -5" beam running sprint star repops. 145/65/15 - 185/65/15 combo. i;m probably only an inch or so lower than before the beam swap. the biggest advantage to the bream swap is you gain about 2" of beam clearance when you lose the bottom beam mounts. my front apron is now the lowest point instead of the bottom mounts. well i guess i should say was since the square has been sitting in the driveway wrecked for a year now.

oh and ps the fuch you mention are NOT WIDE 5. they are 5x130mm. WIDE 5 is 5x205mm...
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luckystiff · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:33 pm Post subject:

oh and my t1 converted rides just as good as my 4 spline dropped t3 did. probably not as good as a stock t3 but i guess i don't know because i don't drive stock shit.

my '62 f100 has jaguar xjs suspension notched 3" into the frame. it sits about 10" lower than it did in stock form......
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