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pablovent Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2010 Posts: 900 Location: Chile
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: 1200cc 40 hp connecting rod installation problem?? |
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Hi,
Still with question about 1200cc 40hp engine,apreciate your advices.
Now with rods problem.......These old rods use bolts and aparently the offset not well between both sides of the rod (cap), to install new bearings do not soft move like a 1300-1600cc rods, which is the way to center them and achieve soft move?
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26323 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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You tap on them with a small hammer as you torque the bolts.
And if you have forge marks on the rods, they are offset - always install those with the forge mark facing upwards.
-Andy |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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glutamodo wrote: |
You tap on them with a small hammer as you torque the bolts.
And if you have forge marks on the rods, they are offset - always install those with the forge mark facing upwards.
-Andy |
ok, but "You tap on them with a small hammer": to the side rod cap (numbers) or bolts head or down the caps?
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say, all of the above if you have binding. You might want to torque in a couple of steps and check for binding, and tap-tap, as you go. |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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glutamodo wrote: |
I'd say, all of the above if you have binding. You might want to torque in a couple of steps and check for binding, and tap-tap, as you go. |
Perfect, apreciate your help, thank you glutamodo. |
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drscope Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Did you measure? _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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drscope wrote: |
Did you measure? |
After many hammer/torque attempts and work keep the same problem, crank and bearing measures are fine, but aparently my rods not round, check O.D. each and have different measures: 57,75mm and 57,85mm, aparently re sized work is necessary...not think it is so difficult to align to work well, surely there is a problem!! |
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mrbigmax Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2011 Posts: 1289 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a god simple way to check the clearances. Plastigage. Commonly found at auto parts stores up here. http://www.plastigaugeusa.com/how.html |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, but "not round" is a real problem, all rods tight after many different alignment trials, maybe they run "not alignment" in the past....the ideal O.D. round measure is 2.2755" (57,80mm).
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Finally, before resized work, machinist could rods alignment work well, and they were all good round to 2.2767"(+/-0.0001), only was necessary to slightly soften new bearings, the process was done with polishing paste (valve seats) in a tool crankshaft type (of the corresponding measure) turning the each rod with bearings installed softly (full bolts torque) being spent only small points that pressed the movement. Now all rods down softly by gravity, clearance aprox 0.003" between OD rods (with bearings) and crankshaft.
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Dr OnHolliday Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:59 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure we're understanding each other. You can't put valve grinding compound on bearings - it will imbed in the bearing and grind down the crank journal. _________________ 1965 Type 1 sunroof Baja / about 70k miles on self-rebuilt '74 1600 and counting / SP heads and aftermarket valve keepers / non-doghouse shroud with external cooler and filter / 1.5 qt extended sump / Weber 32/36 DFAV progressive carb / 009 dist with Pertronix / 1.25 ratio rockers and ball adjusters / 1.5" stainless steel J-pipes and carbon steel baja exhaust |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Dr OnHolliday wrote: |
I'm not sure we're understanding each other. You can't put valve grinding compound on bearings - it will imbed in the bearing and grind down the crank journal. |
ok, an old journal crankshaft was used, very slightly fine compound grinding was use, after a few rod turning to loosen, polished and wash new bearings. |
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Dr OnHolliday Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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(using my best Chris Rock voice) "Nah - I wouldn't do that shit, man!"
Really, insert bearings are soft / abrasive powders are hard. Hard abrasive particles get stuck / imbeded into soft bearings. Result is trashed crank and engine.
I have never heard / read about such an approach in 49 years of reading hot rod or other car and motorcycle enthusiast magazines and books, or in auto shop class.
You are on the wrong path here, amigo. _________________ 1965 Type 1 sunroof Baja / about 70k miles on self-rebuilt '74 1600 and counting / SP heads and aftermarket valve keepers / non-doghouse shroud with external cooler and filter / 1.5 qt extended sump / Weber 32/36 DFAV progressive carb / 009 dist with Pertronix / 1.25 ratio rockers and ball adjusters / 1.5" stainless steel J-pipes and carbon steel baja exhaust |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Dr OnHolliday wrote: |
(using my best Chris Rock voice) "Nah - I wouldn't do that shit, man!"
Really, insert bearings are soft / abrasive powders are hard. Hard abrasive particles get stuck / imbeded into soft bearings. Result is trashed crank and engine.
I have never heard / read about such an approach in 49 years of reading hot rod or other car and motorcycle enthusiast magazines and books, or in auto shop class.
You are on the wrong path here, amigo. |
Apreciate your observation...... maybe the machinist use a special compound, after your post re-checked again the bearings and they are "really soft", like a new bearings, compound work only in small sectors.... |
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