engine mount fasty subaru swap

[Fast6back9]

So I just got a ej20t and I was wondering if there's a place that makes the brackets to mount the motor in my fasty or am I going to have to get them custom made?

[mackaymanx]

Probably need to go custom, but have a think about trying the SmallCar engine mount and modifying a Vanagon engine support bar to suit.

[vlad01]

This might be a good option if price isn't an issue. Scroll down a bit and take a look at the mounts.

http://subarugears.com/Pricing/Pricing.html
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[Yabbadubbadoo]

There's a number of different ways to skin that cat. Adapter plates for Subi's have been around more than 20 years. It's a kinda low tech, agricultural solution to mate incompatible engine and box - IMO.
The subarugears conversion is a clean and simple way of eliminating those adapters but its a hefty commitment to do a full gearbox and motor swap.
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[vlad01]

it is a big investment, but i think its the only way to go for proper conversion.

I been looking more into EZ engines lately. I seen an increasing number of them being used. Another guy I know is very involved in a SC kit s for them.


hmmm could be a lethal combo
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[Yabbadubbadoo]

[vlad01]

I been thinking EZ30 for a long time now. besides it sure fixes that awful sound the EJ engines have. Nothing beats the sound of a flat 6

I never bought any car to have a stock engine There is no way I am running a vw engine in mine, stuff that!
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[VWCOOL]

An EJ20T transplant I was involved with used early, swing-axle Type 3 rear subframe converted to IRS so we had chassis forks to help support the gearbox, Beetle style... and we had a separate, fabricated 'fork support' that supported from within the wheelarches.

Last but not least, a cross-brace that helped support the engine via the redundant PS mount (I think) into the luggage area. Kind-of like an original late Type 3, but six inches higher in the car.

Does 12s - no worries

[vlad01]

12s, that's pretty quick.
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[Yabbadubbadoo]

[Bobnotch]

[vlad01]

[Yabbadubbadoo]

Some people take that concept one step further.
They make the engine and gearbox look completely stock as well as the car and do up the innards of the motor to go like hell and the gearbox reco'd to take a beating but on the outside, you'd never tell.

It's nothing new or unique. Let's take this idea of a big flat six and think about it a bit. You're gonna spend the best part of 10k putting a second hand Japanese motor and box in your car, why not just put a reconditioned porsche flat six and bolt it straight up without calling a plumber. But then again if you're gonna spend all that cash to put a porsche you might as well put porsche brakes and wheels on it. It's gonna need better suspension too and not just a notch or two down, were talking spindles like Bert's and probably a set of Atomwerk drop plates on the back to keep some preload to soak the extra launch force. Oh I nearly forgot, computers, computers everydamnwhere. You gotta get electrics sorted and buy a packet of dynotime. That ain't free.
The car is starting to cost a pretty penny now. Could've bought a porsche with what you'd be spending on this Type 3 and the money wouldn't have gone down a black hole never to be seen again. A porsche will be worth the same tomorrow as it is today unless you put a chev in it and it will handle like a porsche, not a 'h' beam wanna-be porsche wearing a bowlers hat.
This IMO is why you don't see too many performance jap motors in Aircooled veedubs with a completely sorted out package. The well sorted out ones are few and far between. The owners usually keep them for the long haul and aren't precious about money. They see it as the cost of their toys. If this is your idea then go ahead. Eyes wide open I say. Not saying don't do it, it's your car and your right to modify or butcher it how you please but it kinda irks me at how some people are so emphatic about how old type 3's and VW's have a crap old engine that needs to be swapped out for something better from Japan. I'm here to say, from my perspective, it's not better, it's just different and will most likely end up being a bad decision unless you have a lot of will, patience, money and expertise at your disposal.
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[vlad01]

lol ok.


you are aware there is complete suby systems designed for the AC vw which are made to be bolt in? yes, no?

I would never spend money on doing up an ACVW engine because the value per HP is extremely poor and reliability is questionable at best. This why engine conversions have come a long way in resent times to the point we have complete drive train and all sub systems developed and made for the ACVW. This is true for the EJ series, but EZ is more of a resent engine and only just becoming a popular candidate.

I never said anything about 2nd hand either. Need to relize you can buy all the components new from factory, aftermarket is quality Jap made, Cosworth even make complete new engines for EJ, you can even buy brand new factory engines too.

A 2nd hand suby engine will be many times better than a rebuilt hotted up vw t1 engine all day every day. you just can't compare these old victa lawnmower engines from china parts to these highly engineered quality suby engines.

t4 of course is a great choice but are falling to the same fate as the china part dominated market as the t1. Value per HP is dropping and dropping for the t4 as well.

To your point of the suspension and brakes. Yep I already done all that.

I have koni shocks, K mac sway bars all round, ford AU series 1 front vented and slotted rotors running holden VS commodore calipers with QFM A1RM racing compound pads, skyline calipers and rotors on the rear running same pads. And ATE 25?mm bus MC. looking to get subarugears's rear suby kit and sell the skyline kit as its got quality billet hubs that are ADR engineered/approved! no track increase and caliper is available new unlike the obsolete skyline calipers.

All I need is the drivetrain to suit

I like EJ but I dont like turbo much as I am a NA man.

my aim is at least 250hp NA. EZ delivers about that straight out of the box.


And another point about your computer computers comments.

how else are you suppose to tune cars? EFI and EFI tuning is the only thing I know, its all I do now. I gave up on carbs about 5 years ago when i got into ECU hacking and tuning and could never get a satisfactory anything with carbs and BS! distributors, its so much easier because its logical, literary


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[Tram]

[vlad01]

its not that I can't get it to run, its just whats considered normal on these engine is inadequate for me. And that can't be more true when building a performance one due to the shit mismatched low quality parts out on the market.

t1 designed in the 30s sometime EZ suby designed in the late 90s released 00 No competition really, chalk and cheese. Then you got EZ36 which came out 2010?

I am thinking , what the hell could I possible do with the original engine? magnesium bonfire? At least it would make a reliable fire
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[Yabbadubbadoo]

What we have is a dichotomy. I know it personally. 21 years ago I bought a Subaru motor and stuffed it up the arse of a beetle. Stuffed it good and proper I think. What can I say, young and naive. Lots of hype at the time. Stupid magazine articles looking for the next big thing. I got swept up in all that too. Sold it half finished when I did some honest sums and realized it was a mugs game. I was spending money hand over fist. Engine bay looked like a Beirut brothel and the car lost its VW identity. I shudder at the thought. Got out of it before the real money had to be spent with my tail between my legs and a healthy respect for people who could make solid aircooled motors and drive the tits off them so if you think I don't understand I'm telling you I understand it better than you think.

The money argument is total rubbish unless you run a second hand motor. Even then it's marginal whether you'd be saving money because what you save on paper is knocked off the value of the car.
The electronic engine management argument is rubbish too. It's been done.
Cubic inches argument - rubbish, that can be built.
Horsepower per dollar if you build it from scratch - rubbish. Money is in the machining and manufacture. Metal is sold by weight.
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[vlad01]

I am just saying I would rather spend 20k on the engine and drive train and have reliable 250hp+ that will last 300k+ than spend an increasingly expensive exercise to make a marginally reliable 100hp that costs well over 10k here in Australia.

its naive to think its better to build on the old engine for less cost and be better off than doing a good conversion. Times have changed. I never said that a conversion is a cheaper way to go, it will cost more but you get far more benefits than expensive crusty t1 engine.

I could never justify spending that much for a slug of an engine that wont last 300k.

ok 100hp might be pretty decent in a bug, but a type 3 is over a ton if you have the latter models. to get a 1 and a bit ton car to move a decent modern speed you need at least 200-250hp and blazing fast to keep up with you xr8 falcons and hsv boys, you need 350hp+

I dont get what you mean by electronic management argument?

what argument? its 1000% better full stop and imho easier is every way. I been making my own custom engine management systems for bit over a year and working with tuning engines and it was a shock to how much easier it was trying to nut out carbs and all this jets and stuff that makes not much sense. I have total control over the engine!

I also done my own conversions, electronic management, transmission and engine and the benefits outweighed the costs. What I found cost you more learning from the past it cost you more by doing it half ass. do it right and its a reward.

value of the car? who cares. its mine to enjoy and I never sold any of my cars I intended to keep, only ones i disliked that were acquired for free and those that were chopped up. I keep my cars and will do for life.
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[Yabbadubbadoo]

Your reasoning is all over the shop and you back up your statements with figures you pluck out of neverland.
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[Salty]

The type 3 is more like 850kg. . Those big flat 6 engines will give you some ugly rear weight to deal with.
I also bought a ej20t and spent loads of $ until I figured out I was going to ruin a good original car on install. All that water and plumbing, venting, packaging takes a lot of planning and fabricating. Then you have the heat from the radiator pipes like under floor heating.

Only part of this that makes sense is the engine management. I have megasquirt on a type 3 setup with wasted spark and coil packs - car runs like a absolute dream and nothing like knowing you are feeding it perfect timing and air fuel ratios.