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quartermilecamel Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:10 am Post subject: dellorto drla 36 on 1600 am I crazy? |
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Ok yes Im crazy but I just bought a set of dellorto carbs. drla 36. seller says they came off a 1600. So Im hoping they actually did and I wont have to buy tons of shit to get them to work. Wont know till they get here, as to whats in them. For starters whats the ball park venture size supposed to be? I cant imagine a large one like a 40. 32 maybe? I know theres no one size jet and venturi fits all but would like some help on determining if I even should bolt the carbs on by checking the various jets/venturis to see if its set up for a stock mild stock or just stinkin huge engine. My svda from air cooled.net should still work as its for dual carbs. _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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jfats808 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:17 am Post subject: |
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36 dual dells are imo a perfect upgrade for stock to mild 1914s. Its going to run great. Std vents for 40s are 34s, std for 36s are 30. Messing with jet and vemt configuration is always a concern when tuning duals. 28s or 30 sized vents can be made to work on a small stock engine just fine. Id start with 52/120-125m/200 air with 9164.2 emulsions. Your going to motice quite a bit of increase in power. _________________ 2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
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k@rlos Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:48 am Post subject: |
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I had 36 IDF's on a 1600, was lovely! |
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theastronaut Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Here's my old 1600 with 36 DRLA's running 0-75 mph. Had 1.25 rockers, bugpack header/hideaway, and a 009.
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:52 am Post subject: |
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I currently run a set of 36's on my 1641cc. I ran them for years on a 1600. They are great carbs. Especially after A.C.E. gets through with them _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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maplesyrup Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Another thumbs up for 36's on a 1600 they'll run great if correctly setup and with a good exhaust |
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2008 Posts: 3929 Location: ohio
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Oh snap so I did something right Ok heres the engine specs complete:1600 in a 1964 bus with 40,000 on the engine and 10,000 on the pistons and cylinders and (041 heads) carbs on there now are the 35mm solexes, svda from aircooled.net hoping to be able to still use dizzy on these carbs since it does have vacuum canister, cb maxi 2 oil pump and remote filter, compressions around 120ish with all valves at 006 and around 140 with intake valves at 10 thousandths. as stated in another thread valve overlap I guess but not sure which way to adjust it now. To me 120s kinda low. Ceramic header and muffler from aircooled.net
I do have a wideband installed already so tuning will be easier, although tuning in general is like trying to read Russian.
Heres the link to them. Hopefully I didn't miss something not so good about them. Paid 700 for them. I didn't know drla 36's were in the classifieds, I just saw these on ebay and figured Id better jump on it. Feel free to notice anything not so good on them like, are those plastic linkage arms and plastic air filter holder??? Still wondering about that. Noticed after I bought them.
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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maplesyrup wrote: |
Another thumbs up for 36's on a 1600 they'll run great if correctly setup and with a good exhaust |
I have seen mention of this ace while reading drla threads. Not sure if I have to send them in for rebuild or not. I forget where ace is or works. Awesome video. Did your gasmileage increase or decrease, maybe your right foot suddenly got lead poisoning and became heavier after carb install? Noted the gas guage showing empty _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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quartermilecamel wrote: |
maplesyrup wrote: |
Another thumbs up for 36's on a 1600 they'll run great if correctly setup and with a good exhaust |
I have seen mention of this ace while reading drla threads. Not sure if I have to send them in for rebuild or not. I forget where ace is or works. Awesome video. Did your gasmileage increase or decrease, maybe your right foot suddenly got lead poisoning and became heavier after carb install? Noted the gas guage showing empty |
ACE is in Murray Utah
Here's a link to their website. Www.ace-vw.com _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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74 Thing Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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ACE is no longer around (the company that is, Art still is alive and kicking).
Blackline Racing is the name of the company now-they still do full service carb rebuilding...
http://www.blacklineracing.net/ |
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Another question: I have 2 snails made for the solex dual carbs I have on the bus now. Do I need to purchase the snails made for the dellortos and if I do, how many of them does one normally have? I have 2 now for the solexes. Having 2 of them made synchronizing much easier. Now I will have basically a 4 barrel carb, 2 barrels on one side and 2 on the other. Does anyone buy 4 sync snails or does everyone just stick with one or 2 snails? _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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36 DRLAs are great. You can re-use the snail gauges you have on the new carbs. _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: |
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kingkarmann wrote: |
ACE is in Murray Utah
Here's a link to their website. Www.ace-vw.com |
Wow!!
According to my erroneous information ACE is now located in Birmingham United Kingdom.
I guess I should really look closer at my Google searches
Anyhow, I'm glad Art is still around. He really did a great job on my Dells!
Thanks for setting me straight 74 Thing. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:50 am Post subject: |
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I only wondered about the snails because of the larger rubber mouth than the snails typicially used on the weber/dellorto carbs. I wasn't sure the larger rubber mouth would fit the stacks on these carbs. Snails used look to have a more conicial taper to the rubber piece. Cool though I can still use the snails I have.
Only issue now is the rate my carbs are moving through ups from California. It would appear they are moving at a SNAILS pace _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Are the offset manifolds better than the ones coming in my carb box? Mine appear by the pictures to be non offset. Noticed offset on aircooled.net Ive seen these carbs mounted while keeping the stock fan shroud, but I cant tell from pictures if that's how they were able to use the stock fan shroud. Would guess off set manifolds are better for clearance issues. If I do need offset manifolds I will order the whole kit but not sure who even sells a linkage and manifold kit that will fit dellorto 36 drla's. Most list fit starting from a 40 drla. _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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stan_tichomirov Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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You probably got the nice set I was looking at too, it had EMPI manifolds. Try it as-is, go from there. It looked perfect, I just couldn't swing the price plus tax and shipping.
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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probably so it said 699 buy it now or make offer.......make offers usually a big ass waist of time Im just trying to get all I need before the weekend to throw them on. Its a whole new learning curve for me with the true dual carbs. Hoping all the adjustments will face outward and are easy to get at.
Yeah I almost passed them up too, but the I wanna have the big boys league style dual carbs virus finally took over. Not sure what Im going to do with the solexes on there now (solexes run ok now) but at least I can tune the shit out of the dellortos now. I can actually pull out my main stacks like john and others said!....couldn't pull out shit with the solexes. _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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If you have a German shroud there are only a select few manifolds that will clear the heater arms. The offset manifolds are one of these. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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quartermilecamel Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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well crap, the carbs will arrive today and I wont be able to install them. Thanks for the answer. Unless I can score a different fan shroud, Im stuck for the weekend. wish I had known this earlier and I would have ordered offset manifolds _________________ Waiting for santa to drop off funky green. I can wish can't I???? |
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Danwvw Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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I really like mine! Installed an electric fuel pump for them and made a special fuel safety shutdown circuit that shuts off the electric fuel pump if the Alternator light comes on. I am running the offset Manifolds. Some Photos:
Circuit,
Pump,
Offset Manifolds with Vacuum 3/8" pipe brass fitting for 1971 Bus Disc Brakes shown,
Linkage installed. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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