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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot this one - in my 1st VW, a '72 standard I bought in '85, just out of college. After having the top-end rebuilt in Dayton, OH, my then-GF and I drove east to I95, then south to Miami. Never missed a beat, 33 MPG w/the 2 of us plus all of my crap (I was moving back to Miami).

That after Click & Clack told me on their show that I'd be a fool to do it!! Very Happy

[EDIT] Roughly a 1,600 mile trip.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drove from Cleveland, OH to Mountain View, CA 2 years ago in my 64 Beetle. I went Southwest through Missouri then Oklahoma and took I-40 (the new version of Route 66) all the way through Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and into California. I think it was something like 2200 miles and it was an amazing experience I would recommend to anyone.

That being said, though I never had any major problems, I did have many little problems. I had to take it really easy through the desert - between 50 and 55 or else my oil temp dipstick would start lighting up the oil pressure dash light. I was passed by every semi truck on the highway which is a bit disheartening at first but you get used to it. I had some problems with the car not starting when it was too hot so I'd end up hanging out at a rest stop longer than I'd like to while it cooled down and would magically start again. I had to fiddle with the timing a few times before figuring out I needed to replace the points. At a campsite one night I adjusted the clutch cable and disassembled and re-greased the speedometer internal gears that had started to go WHEEEEEEEEEEEE as I drove. My headlights were badly positioned and weak to the point of being mostly worthless, so I tried to do most of my driving during the day. I spent around 8 hours a day driving and intently listening to the sounds of the engine and keeping an eye on the oil light. At first it was stressful but then it became more of a zen, a state of being totally in tune with the car. Then the trip became magical. Out in the middle of the beautiful dessert, in areas where you only find nomadic types and quirky iconic roadside oases, stopping at a gas station where 50 Harley riders from a biker group trip are fueling up, and they are all interested in this little beige VW that just pulled in.

Here's a few pics from the trip https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10102202...27a41efd94
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

remember tape type stuff will leave residue. Tennis balls work good, I have seen guys use magnetic sign stuff as well.
I drove from Oshawa Ontario Canada to California for the Caravan way back with a brand new 0 mile engine & rebuilt car. No issues. As someone said to me drive your VW & it will serve you well.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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guys. how would i plug up those holes?

Get some 1/16" thick aluminum sheet stock from the hardware store and cut out some discs a little larger than the holes. Drill a small hole thru the center of each one. For each hole, use 2 discs...one on each side of the tin. Use a screw and nut w/Loctite to clamp the tin between the two discs and close off the openings.
For the heat riser openings, cut your sheetmetal to size, then shape it so that you can use the existing screws to hold it in place and cover the hole.

BTW...those fresh-air outlets do more than just provide heat to the cabin. Even when not using the heater, they still blow air over the exhaust manifolds, which helps them run a little cooler. This in turn will pull some heat out of the cylinder heads from right near the exhaust valves where they tend to run the hottest.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1981, I drove a POS 69 bug from El Paso to San Diego with an overnight in Tucson. I had just bought this bug and the engine blew driving across El Paso. An old VW shop hodge podged an engine together for me.

100 miles out of El Paso, the main red ignition wire fried for an un-known reason. I has spare wire and got it running again. Outside of Tucson, the gas gauge stopped working. Around the California border, the speedometer froze up and snapped the cable. It over heated on the pass out of the desert into the San Diego area.

I made it home but the engine was junk and I had to have it rebuilt. The trip was roughly 700 miles and I was 16. Gosh I feel old now!

Don't forget to check your front wheel bearings to insure they are good, the races are not pitted and they have good grease and proper adjustment. I froze a inner wheel bearing a couple of years later going to PHX. Not fun. Find the thread on what to have for spares and you should be good to go.

As another poster stated, our VW's (if maintained correctly) should have no issues in driving across the country. I love seeing classics out in the middle of no where on the road headed somewhere. The drivers ALWAYS seem to have a big smile on their face!
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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guys my tin has holes in it and i dont have heat risers, a local vw shop said i dont need any since i live in CA.


Sorry, but your shop is full of $hit. And of course your thermostat is undoubtedly missing, too.

All tins are needed. The heat riser is needed. The thermostat is needed.

When I bought my '67 my heat riser was plugged and my carb would ice up. It's not the absolute outside temperature that matters, it's crossing the dew point that matters. That happens all year round in California. I unplugged mine and had no problems since.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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guys my tin has holes in it and i dont have heat risers, a local vw shop said i dont need any since i live in CA.


Sorry, but your shop is full of $hit. And of course your thermostat is undoubtedly missing, too.

All tins are needed. The heat riser is needed. The thermostat is needed.

When I bought my '67 my heat riser was plugged and my carb would ice up. It's not the absolute outside temperature that matters, it's crossing the dew point that matters. That happens all year round in California. I unplugged mine and had no problems since.


so i cant go to vegas? as in the weather might ice up my carb/ intake?
since i dont have heat risers......................
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so i cant go to vegas? as in the weather might ice up my carb/ intake?
since i dont have heat risers......................


My forty some years of experience driving VW's, mostly old Beetles, tells me that going with stock factory specs and equipment is best. There are so many "experts" out there, who improvise beetles with very mixed results. If you decide to make the trip, the Beetle Barn in Las Vegas may be able to assure that your return trip is uneventful. I am sure my 1971 Super was quite a mess, with a non stock carburetor and other deficiencies, when I drove it home, taking my time and driving cautiously. Somewhere along the line, you should have the car checked by a VW specialist, just for peace of mind.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so i covered the holes with this heat resistant tape/ wrap............. Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so i cant go to vegas? as in the weather might ice up my carb/ intake?
since i dont have heat risers......................


This weekend is supposed to be both warm and dry in the Southwest. You can probably get away with it. I was taking issue with your mechanic dismissing the need in general.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
anthonycanchola wrote:
so i cant go to vegas? as in the weather might ice up my carb/ intake?
since i dont have heat risers......................


This weekend is supposed to be both warm and dry in the Southwest. You can probably get away with it. I was taking issue with your mechanic dismissing the need in general.


thank you so much , lol
you relived me of some stress lol, but yea ill replace the heat risers when i get extra cash and time, hopfully i make it out there. i just have two major concerns right now,
my wheel cylinder is leaking, and im leaking engine oil... buttt its not bad(engine oil) so ill keep a close eye on it, but what about my wheel cylinder? should i just replace it? or just go on my trip?

oh and for tire pressure , im extrememly confused. because i have differt wheels and tires than the stock, so wouldnt that make a differnce in tire pressure.? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Keep your cell phone charged.


Just wanted to mention that I picked up one of these external battery pack phone chargers after my last day-trip to a show in PA. Super convenient for a couple of charges on the road, and it even comes with a built-in flashlight.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anthonycanchola wrote:
i just have two major concerns right now,
my wheel cylinder is leaking, and im leaking engine oil...

oh and for tire pressure , im extrememly confused. because i have differt wheels and tires than the stock, so wouldnt that make a differnce in tire pressure?

I would replace that leaking wheel cylinder before heading out on a road trip. Looks like your Bug is a later model with the dual-circuit braking system, so even if the wheel cylinder fails completely, you'll still have some brakes. BUT...if the seal in that cylinder totally blows out, you'll lose quite a bit of brake fluid, and your stopping power will be reduced significantly. If the leak is bad enough that you see fluid dripping out of the brake drum, you've already lost the braking power on that one wheel, due to the fluid soaking into the brake shoes and acting as a lubricant. Brakes work by creating friction...you don't want that friction nullified by leaking brake fluid. Bottom line is that you don't want to have faulty brakes while out on the road, or even while driving around town...get it fixed.

If the engine oil leak isn't too bad (no big puddle on the ground after shutting down), just keep an eye on it and make sure it's always topped up. Carry a couple of extra quarts of oil when you go, and check the oil level often. It would be good to know the source of the leak. If its the sump plate, or pushrod tubes, that's not so bad. But if it's the oil cooler, that could lead to a major problem if the seals go bad.

If the tires are somewhat close in size to stock, just use the 18psi/front and 28psi/rear that VW recommended. You can add a couple of psi for the constant hiway speeds on your trip if you like.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radials usually also add 2-3 psi to the VW recommendations. You will end up around 22 front, 30 rear and that handles well.

Check where your oil is leaking. It may be valve covers, which you can replace easily. It may be tranny oil from cracked axle boots, which you should also replace before the trip.

Always replace wheel cylinders in pairs (left and right together). Bleed and also bring the can of extra fluid with you in case you burb some bubbles along the trip.

Bring overalls or at least rags and ground cloth so if you DO have to crawl around, it's not so dirty and greasy. Hand cleaner and paper towels are good. Carry 2-3 extra quarts of engine oil and an extra gasket set. Search here for "what to take on a trip" threads that guide you through tools and spares to carry. Good advice there.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the Bug I've got now I've only driven 713 miles round-trip. When I bought my new 1966 Bug in Germany I drove from Germany through Austria to Italy and back through France and Belgium back to Germany on my honeymoon. I don't remember how many miles that was. I had other things on my mind at the time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the way back to Virginia from Texas BOTH my front tires went flat. Unfortunately I did not have two spares.

Went from LA to Vegas to Virginia in my first bug, had no problems til Colorado. Then we had to replace the head gaskets. That was the only real drama. Except leaky fuel lines with both. But not too bad.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chicago to Key West and back. 3,000 miles. 65-70mph the whole way in a 1600dp. Coming back I drove from Stuart FL to Macon GA on 3 cylinders because I couldn't realize the spark plug wire was off one of the spark plugs.

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that was last September.

When I bought the car about 4 years ago I drove it from Baltimore to Jersey shore to NYC then down the east coast to South Carolina then back up through the mountains to Chicago on my spring break in college.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anthony,

Looks/sounds like your VW has a few little issues that you might want to take care of as time and $$'s allow. If you are going to use your machine for long distance travel (as your trip to L.V.) it could be a good idea to try and return your car to as close to stock as you can (when you get back from your trip). I know "mods" are sexy but the costs in reliability and the subsequent adventures into the unknown are shaky out there on the road. You live near some of the best VW swap meets in the world, buy old German stuff rather new Chinese. West Coast Metric and Wolfsburg West are great sources for new. Original used stock parts can be very reasonably priced as they made millions of these things!

I am very selective about what isn't stock on my two VW's.

Your temporary patch of tin holes looks good, you really should take care of leaking wheel cylinders no matter where you are going. Give some consideration to some of the maintenance before trip suggestions made by others above. Drive 60-65mph and please return with a post of how it went and a few pics.

Btw, manual transmission oil = gear oil as opposed to transmission fluid in an automatic trans. I was referring to checking your manual transmission gear oil.
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1200 miles in the middle of June from Sacramento to L.A. to Albuquerque. Averaged 30-39 mpg and only had one problem with a failed condensor which was swapped out in 5 mins on the side of the freeway with a spare timed 009.

Good thread on parts to bring

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=395083

If you dont know the history of the engine I would perform a leak down/compression test just to make sure there is not already something wrong.

If it checks out do an oil change, trans oil change, brake fluid flush, repack front bearings, grease the front end, adjust the link pins if equipped, make sure tires are good and the spare tire will fit.

If it does not have any gauges get some! Oil pressure, oil temp and cylinder head temp, even crappy VDO will do the trick. Being able to monitor engine vitals will give you a heads up before something blows. Even the dipstick thing is better than nothing.

Check out the AIRS list on type2.com. Call the numbers ahead of time as the list is not real up to date. Look up vw clubs along the route as well as any shows or meets where parts may be purchased to correct a sketchy repair.

AAA membership, maps, food and water are a must as well as a jacket or blanket.

A sat phone or computer with sat capabilities would be better than a regular cell phone in dead zones.

Having driven old beaters long distances is nerve racking to say the least. If you are a mechanic it should be less scary. I build all my own stuff so I am not scared of breaking down, just scared of not having the tools or parts needed to fix the problem. I think its worse knowing how to fix the problem and not being able to.

There is a lot of stuff to take "just in case" but Id rather have the stuff and not need it. Its not like the old days when there was a VW specialty shop in every good sized town or a wrecking yard with parts to use. Now you have to bring the tools and parts with you.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:49 am    Post subject: whats the farthest you traveled in your bug Reply with quote

From LA to Vegas there are actually 3 hill climbs where you need to be careful going up--and down. First, Cajon Pass just outside of San Berdoo. Next, Halloran Summit just past Baker. Finally, Mountain Pass. Be careful going up and down there, the Nevada Highway Patrol loves to pop people coming down the hill once they hit Primm, although I doubt you'll be going all that fast. First rule of LA traffic--Leave Early!!! Not only cooler, but hopefully you won't be stuck in holiday traffic too much. Good luck and have fun. Cool
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