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VeeDubDaySpa Samba Member
Joined: February 29, 2008 Posts: 368 Location: Bend, OR
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Yes yes yes for Tintop slider screens!!! Would save me from having to find and buy westy windows to replace my own and then I would still need to find the crappy old screens! Was considering magnets and mesh but would be a pain to untangle all the time I'm sure.
Love the look of the front windows too... Nice work _________________ North American Hightop Installer/Distributor
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zipster48 Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Fort Collins CO
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Do you have enough interest yet in doing a run with brown material? I would def be interested if so -
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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sorry zipster but the waiting list for a tan/beige screen is still kinda short at only 4 people but I am considering going ahead in a couple of weeks regardless of the stated demand. I presently have a lot of irons in the fire and committing the funds for speculation is not to be taken hastily right now. Plus I have to ramp up and produce my front window screens which also requires $$$ outlay for supplies.
I am trying to convince the plastics wholesaler to allow me to combine my gray and beige needs into a single order to get away with the same # of sheets ordered total but half and half as far as color.
Appreciate anyone interested to PM me so I can keep track of who to contact if it goes ahead.
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Hi guys,
The PVC used to make the screen kits is rated to stay rigid up to about 120 degrees F and starts to soften and will sag unders its own weight at about 130~ 150 degrees. My own experiments with a heat gun and laser thermometer have now borne this out. There is a certainly a potential that if the shade panel is left in place with your skylight closed and your van parked in direct sunshine the small air space formed above the panel could become superheated over time and the PVC may sag. I personally have left mine in place for several very hot days without issue but the potential for excess heat build up is there especially in direct sunlight in southern areas so please use your judgement and if your van is simply parked and left or being driven please remove and stow the panel as I have always recommended. The shade panel insert was meant to be a aid to darken your interior for a sleep in in the morning and not an interior darkening device to be left in at all times. If the skylight cover is open to allow air flow and heat escape there is dramatically less likelihood of this occurring and also if the pop top is up the angle of the panel is such there is less tendency for it to potentially sag in the center if the heat was to rise.
Sorry if this has caused anyone inconvenience.
Thanks
Gerald
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bjrogers86auto Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2009 Posts: 1375 Location: Halifax, N.S.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:07 pm Post subject: screen |
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Hey Gerald,
My screen is installed!
Am I the first on the east coast?
Brian _________________ 86 Vanagon GL Westfalia 2.1
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19 Honda Civic Hatchback
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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not sure Brian, I had shipped several more to the east but not had comments or feedback. Certainly is possible though.
I like to say you can't always be first but you can always be next!
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S4VAGE Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2007 Posts: 258 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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backyard_cnc wrote: |
working on a screen design for the sliders but nothing concrete yet. soon............. |
Yes please! I need two sets. |
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Alex Proulx Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2010 Posts: 294 Location: Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: screen |
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bjrogers86auto wrote: |
Hey Gerald,
My screen is installed!
Am I the first on the east coast?
Brian |
You beat me to it! Just installed mine, but it was sitting for over a week, so let say that I was the first to get one on the east coast but you were the first one to install it
Mine needed a bit more than a wiggle, I had to loosen up all 4 screws on the plastic bezel but then it when in perfectly. Nice product, good packaging and nice guy to do business with. Finally the velcro is staying up!
Alex _________________ Vanagon GL 1988 Full Camper, 4 speed manual, 2.1 stock engine
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madspaniard Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2008 Posts: 3795 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: screen |
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Alex Proulx wrote: |
Mine needed a bit more than a wiggle, I had to loosen up all 4 screws on the plastic bezel but then it when in perfectly.
Alex |
Yes, I did the same with the 4 screws, super easy and fast. This is probably needed if you are leaving the stock velcro in place like I did. _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys,
While I have recommended removing the velcro, loosening the 4 screws that hold the bezel is definately an option especially if you are leaving the velcro in place. It could also make for a neater trapment of the screen and its weatherstripping between the bezel and the poptop. My top has never had velcro so its likely my screen slips in easier than someone who has velcro or many layers of glue. My screen has been in and out many times and most will only insert the screen once. Only thing I have noticed is that the weatherstripping on the leading edge of the screen can get rolled back somewhat especially with several in and outs. Certainly loosening the bezel screws will prevent this and the weatherstripping will stay perfectly flat as it is nipped when the screws are tightened.
Gerald
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Halifaxwesty Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2012 Posts: 213 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: screen |
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bjrogers86auto wrote: |
Hey Gerald,
My screen is installed!
Am I the first on the east coast?
Brian |
Mine isnt here yet....you beat me... _________________ 84 Westfalia Vanagon
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RBEmerson Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 2108 Location: SE PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Given the problem with the "sunshade" panel not taking direct sunlight well, I'm thinking about putting a piece of silvered windshield cover (or whatever the silver panel thing you stuff under the visors to keep sunlight from coming in is called). Any thoughts on whether that would avoid the "too much sun" problem? _________________ Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and wine to accept the things I can't change. |
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well it not so the much direct sunlight as a build up of retained heat in the trapped airmass of the enclosed small space reaching in excess of 140° or so. Just opening the lid to allow circulation will likely cure the problem for most people as will using it for the purpose I had in mind when I designed it.. To be fair it was only ever in my mind meant to used as an aid for an early morning sleep in and was not meant to be a high noon sunshade. What I primarily designed was a screening system without velcro. I certainly apologize if anyone assumed otherwise.
Being more northerly with the sun lower in the sky I have mistaken left my panel in place for nearly a week of quite warm weather without issue but your mileage may vary. To a certain extent the fine mesh charcoal screening has a certain amount of sunblock on it own during the daytime. I also suspect the color of the lid and double or a single pane plays a factor in how much heat can build up and unfortunately all the variables that can have effect are just beyond my control.
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RBEmerson Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 2108 Location: SE PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm... maybe it's time to think of a way to make a curtain happen. Once I get this rascal installed, I'll look into the possibilities. _________________ Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and wine to accept the things I can't change. |
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yes many things are possible, The screen's frame offers many more options as a smooth flat mounting plane bearing in mind that minimal weight is likely the best. I would still consider that if you trap air in a confined space over a period of time it can get quite hot. This may in fact be part of the long lamented problem with the velcro mounting , with the cover attached maybe the heat build up would soften the glue and when you separate the Velcro the glue pulls away from the top.?? I can't be sure as I never had the Velcro in my westy. Also since I did not have a skylight last year and only installed it this spring I can say that I noticed no difference one way or the other regarding interior temperature other than when the skylight is open its cooler as the heat escapes.
I don't think the sun coming through the skylight has a major impact on the interior especially when compared to all the other glass. For me at least its a non issue, I don't cover the other windows except at night to sleep for the most part so why would I need to cover the skylight except for a few hours in the morning to let the wife sleep in........ ?me well I can sleep with the lights on anyway
Please keep us posted with anything you come up with.
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RBEmerson Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 2108 Location: SE PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I've tried a number of adhesives and nothing but nothing lasts. I don't think the glue is baking to death so much as the roof's plastic doesn't offer much support for various contact cements. Even in cool, shaded locations in other places, hook and loop strips and dots just don't stick around, as it were.
Right now, my thought is a stiffened cloth panel that slides into place near the lifter assembly, and some type of loop that fits over the tabs that are bolted to the skylight hinges. If the fabric is stiffen with backing, it may just stay in place. Or not. _________________ Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and wine to accept the things I can't change. |
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Since the screen's frame is made from PVC you can use PVC cement from Lowes or Home Depot to bond to it, I use a Carlon brand meant for electrical conduit for my window screens and it seems to hold well so you can permanently bond things to the frame in that manner but a quality hot glue or epoxy may also be good oprions. You can usually find sheet PVC at local artist or hobby supply shops.
Let me know if you have ideas I can possibly incorporate them into future versions of the screen or cut some pieces to retrofit onto existing screens like yours.
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7893 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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backyard_cnc wrote: |
I don't think the sun coming through the skylight has a major impact on the interior especially when compared to all the other glass. |
If the floor sees a 10°+ difference between shaded and not, as noted in this skylight screen topic http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=504866 , it's most certainly contributing to the interior heat (not to mention the UV factor).
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I don't think the glue is baking to death so much as the roof's plastic doesn't offer much support for various contact cements. |
Roof is fiberglass, not plastic. For those in the desert southwest, the roof does indeed bake... my roof will get so hot in the summer you can't touch it, hence Velcro oozing - more like melting - off and me making my own non-Velcro screen a couple of years ago. _________________ ~Kamz
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backyard_cnc Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2012 Posts: 385 Location: MANITOBA CANADA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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I seriously doubt I saw anywhere near a 10° temp difference on any given day in my van since installing my new skylight but I do have a smoked skylight lid and that likely has a large effect. Given the amount of glass in a westy the skylight may contribute a certain amount to the interior temp but it would be very difficult to quantify due to the number of factors involved that would come into play and have affect on any measurements. Even the largely uninsulated steel body will transfer heat to the interior in no small part.
Air movement is a very important factor to ensure your interior temp is not greater than the ambient outside temperature and if you trap air in any space and externally apply heat it will build up and the air temperature will rise. A smaller enclosed space will heat up faster and more dramatically. Just a slight opening of the skylight lid would almost assuredly vent more heat than the suns rays thru it would induce in the interior. That's why I always leave my windows open about 1/2" as even that slight opening easily keeps the temperature down by 10° or more by allowing airflow. Park your westy in the sun with all the windows open and I venture to guess the interior temp will be more or less the same as the outside temperature. That's airflow and the elimination of the trapped interior airmass at work.
Just like location location location is most important to real estate so is air flow to your westy's interior temperature.
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RBEmerson Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 2108 Location: SE PA
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:46 am Post subject: |
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[quote="kamzcab86"[...]
RBEmerson wrote: |
I don't think the glue is baking to death so much as the roof's plastic doesn't offer much support for various contact cements. |
Roof is fiberglass, not plastic. [...][/quote]
Please see the posting time (1AM). I plead that my fingers typed "plastic" without my conscious knowledge. :p
The top is definitely fiberglass, but I suspect that it's coated with some sort of gel coat to protect the resin binding the fibers (UV in sunlight will cause the resin to unlink and generally fail). It might be some type of serious "no more Mr. Niceguy" paint, but probably not. I suspect the interior is definitely gel coated. And gel coat, at least in the boat world, is picky about what will adhere to it. I doubt the rules change in the Westy. _________________ Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and wine to accept the things I can't change. |
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