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Dodesvw
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 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: Weber North America carbs? |
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| I recently received my order of dual weber 40idf carbs with linkage and manifolds to go on my 67 bug. The engine is a 1915 dp with a mild cam and stock heads. I ordered "genuine" webers but since then I have done some research and learned that the weber name is being licensed out to various manufacturers including China. The carbs I got are NOT stamped at all on the actual casting. The only thing that says weber on it is the metal plate on the front and two round stickers that say "weber north america serial #49730 warranty void if removed". Is there any way to tell where these carbs are made? Are they junk compared to Spanish webers? Just looking for people who have ran these webers what are your experiences. I will return these if there is a big difference in Spanish webers and these North America webers. |
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North America licensed Webers "Made In USA" have a flat section where the set screw that holds the venturie in place.
Real genuine Webers from Spain have "Made In Spain" cast in the base.
EMPI HPMX carbs are Chinese copies.
Decade carbs are Chinese copies.
I would return the USA Webers and get the real "Made In Spain" Webers.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Weber North America carbs? |
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The "Flat Back" IDFs are made in China, but assembled in North Carolina. They suck. Get Spanish ones.
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Dodesvw
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| They aren't the flat back idfs. Not empi's either. So the general conclusion is that these are junk? I'm having an experienced builder/tuner set them up for me FYI. Anyone else use these? |
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| are they junk...are they on your car? can you tune them?? do they work?? everybody knows the empi hpmx carbs are junk...but I didnt get that memo and have over 11 years on mine&they run great on my daily driver with well over 90000 miles on them. |
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Dodesvw
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| mark tucker wrote: |
| are they junk...are they on your car? can you tune them?? do they work?? everybody knows the empi hpmx carbs are junk...but I didnt get that memo and have over 11 years on mine&they run great on my daily driver with well over 90000 miles on them. |
They aren't on my car. I just opened the box and I'm considering returning. Them if they aren't quality carbs. I'm having someone set them up for me that knows what they are doing but I just wanted some opinions on here first |
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mark tucker
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| quality cna be the instalation or lack there of. a lot og very good quality parts have been turned to poop in a hurry by many.and the same quality parts have given others thousands uppon thousands of happy fun miles with out any issue's.so unless a part is made rong/out of spes.damaged etc it's kinda hard to say it's junk...well there is some real junk stuff out there, it's all the latest rage.....well I havent seen it all,but plenty still the same. I had thought about getting some of those cheep $100. china webblers to stick on spair/old parts motor but havent done it yet. |
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Dodesvw
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| mark tucker wrote: |
| quality cna be the instalation or lack there of. a lot og very good quality parts have been turned to poop in a hurry by many.and the same quality parts have given others thousands uppon thousands of happy fun miles with out any issue's.so unless a part is made rong/out of spes.damaged etc it's kinda hard to say it's junk...well there is some real junk stuff out there, it's all the latest rage.....well I havent seen it all,but plenty still the same. I had thought about getting some of those cheep $100. china webblers to stick on spair/old parts motor but havent done it yet. |
That makes sense. Thanks! I'll probably hang on to them and see what my engine guy thinks of them |
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| are they junk...are they on your car? can you tune them?? do they work?? everybody knows the empi hpmx carbs are junk...but I didnt get that memo and have over 11 years on mine&they run great on my daily driver with well over 90000 miles on them. |
That's BS I have set of 44 HPMX carbs on street engine (2084) and they perform just like "Genuine Webers" and after 6-7 years not a problem one.... In fact a really gunky set of Webers where removed and replaced by the HPMX carbs.... And to top it off, the HPMX carb where recommended to me by a WEBER DEALER as a cost savings.......
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| might want to read all of what I said dale....... |
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Dale M.
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| might want to read all of what I said dale....... |
Yeah, and you might quit the act, use proper spelling and invoke spell check, so what you write is readable....
And also I didn't get past the "junk" statement.... My fault that I did not read the whole comment and I over reacted to soon to the junk part of statement...
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Then there are the really real ones...
Made in Italy
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Then there are the really real ones...
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The Webers made in Spain are real Webers made by the real Weber company. They are made with the same dies and tooling. Weber stopped carb production in Italy and transferred it to Spain. Same company, same tools, same dies, just a different location.
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| udidwht wrote: |
Then there are the really real ones...
Made in Italy |
The Webers made in Spain are real Webers made by the real Weber company. They are made with the same dies and tooling. Weber stopped carb production in Italy and transferred it to Spain. Same company, same tools, same dies, just a different location. |
With one other crucial item...human element.
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it just sounds cooler to say you have Italian Webers
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I had used Italian Webers. Some things on them were jacked up a bit and they didn't have vacuum ports, and auxiliary ventures were different from the common ones I can buy. The Spanish ones I have now are better IMO.
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I had used Italian Webers. Some things on them were jacked up a bit and they didn't have vacuum ports, and auxiliary ventures were different from the common ones I can buy. The Spanish ones I have now are better IMO.
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My Italian made Webers came with vacuum ports and required nothing more than a simple cleaning then final jetting to be made to run awesome.
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Weber made many different versions of the IDF carbs for lots of different production cars. I believe the version the VW crowd uses are originally from a Fiat. Weber never made carbs for VW engines.
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| it just sounds cooler to say you have Italian Webers |
Haha! I'm sorry but he's right! People like to say they have the originals. I have a set of 40s that are at least 25 years old and I couldn't tell ya where they were made because I've never looked. I just know that once I put em on and syched em I never had to touch them again. IMO the originals aren't always the best you can buy. Later models (not just carbs) tend to have updates and the "bugs" worked out. As far as the HPMXs go I have no experience with them but I'm sure in the right hands they are good carbs. I think it's more of an EMPI thing that puts people off. Believe me I've had some experience with some sub standard EMPI products but I hesitate to claim it's all crap. Truth be told, given the current cost and quality of the new Webbers, I'd buy a set of the HPMXs if i needed new carbs. Just my opinion.
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Sorry these pics are so huge! Not intentional but at least you can see what's stamped on em. They've been sitting for years so their dirty as hell. Don't know if their Italian or Spanish but these are the only markings I could find. These 40s came off of a Porche that was scrapped and I got em over 22 years ago, rebuilt them and ran em on my 67 bug with a 1915 for years. Sold the car but kept the engine and carbs. Just putting new Total seal rings in the engine and we're good to go. Italian or otherwise, they always ran great. My 36mm Dells are Italian! Haha |
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