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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:59 am    Post subject: Identify this odd looking VW based vehicle. Reply with quote

Not my car or my video. I found this while being board on youtube.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not from 1951.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me of the Tonfeld convertible.
That was made by an east german plumber as a one of Porsche-like creation.
I´d say this is also a one of build of a creative private handyman who wanted to have a "modern" looking vert in the mid or late 50s.
Some parts may be older but I´d say the build is from the late 50s.

The rear end looks too "american" for my taste but still a cool ride.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea the speedo and oval clock/speaker grill are not. But who knows when that was added?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xeno wrote:
Yea the speedo and oval clock/speaker grill are not. But who knows when that was added?


It´s not just the oval parts. The whole rear end with these huge "finns" was not yet really in fashion in Germany in 1951.
Find out where the taillights are taken from and it narrows down the build date a bit.
At least he called it "Eigenbau" in the clip. That might be stamped as producer in the ID plate and just means "selfmade".
So if it had not appeard in the past with more info, it maybe never can be told who made it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UGLY!!! but pretty cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil is trying to found out what it is for many years. He contacted Dannenhauer, but they didn't made it, he contacted drews, but also they didn't made it.

I also believe it is selfmade.

Here is a (bad) picture of the ID plate
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe made in the Kaiserlauteren karrosserieschool. The door handles are like on the Rometsch banana's and BMW from the late 40's. Greetings.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the front, hate the rear...but a cool find though. Looks like a home build, not really coach build, although nicely done.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:21 am    Post subject: Modified Denzel? Reply with quote

Just a wild ass guess here... but does anyone think the body started out as a Denzel? Look at the rear opening of the cabin - it goes straight across like a Denzel. Check out the front hood and engine lid (with hump added) and the rear end between the fins. Maybe it was a wrecked Denzel and the owner added his own custom touches: moved headlights outboard, elongated body with rear fins, suicide doors, different windshield frame, etc.

I'd like to see the welding of the body from the inside/underside.

Is there a book in Germany like we have here in the US regarding homemade specials: Trend Book 178 by Bob Rolofson?

The owner should get in touch with the Prototype Museum to see if they can offer additional assistance.

Patrick - Were any Denzels made of steel instead of aluminum? DK9? The owner said it had a Kubelwagen engine in it, weren't the early Denzels based upon a Kubelwagen chassis?

Cool car, regardless what it started out as!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Modified Denzel? Reply with quote

_Trevor_ wrote:
Just a wild ass guess here... but does anyone think the body started out as a Denzel?

Patrick - Were any Denzels made of steel instead of aluminum? DK9? The owner said it had a Kubelwagen engine in it, weren't the early Denzels based upon a Kubelwagen chassis?



Hi Trevor,

The front looks a little bit as a Denzel, but also as a Dannenhauer or Porsche 356. I know this car for a long time and also helped Phil to figure it out was it is. Unformtunately I haven't found anything. It has something of Drews, (bumper), D&S, Denzel Porsche (front look) and studybaker (the rear).

I believe it is homebuild.

Regarding the Denzel. The first 6 denzel were fiberglass, Denzel nr 7 untill nr ?? were steal and the later cars were aluminium. There are also cars with steal body and aluminium hoods and doors
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Modified Denzel? Reply with quote

pbaptist wrote:
There are also cars with steal body and aluminium hoods and doors
This car looks to have that type of constuction.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this car is also a prototype of somsort. I don't know any details on it. But it has some resemblens with the other car. split windows suicide doors..

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion_FRL wrote:
this car is also a prototype of somsort. I don't know any details on it. But it has some resemblens with the other car. split windows suicide doors..

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion_FRL wrote:
this car is also a prototype of somsort. I don't know any details on it. But it has some resemblens with the other car. split windows suicide doors..

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I have seen this one last summer. It is still there. Had to climb on a rometsch to take the pict. You see the rometsch in yellow...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice collection to bad what happend to the porsches upstairs.

to bad the battery of my phone and camera died after 15 pict.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This car is just a simply selfmade bodied cars based on Volkswagen in the 1950s. Nothing more. I can't imginge that even "experts" think that this car has anything to do with one of the legendary coaches like Dannenhauer & Stauss or Denzel. For me it Looks like one of the creations, students build at the coachbuilding School in Kaiserslautern. If you ask me, I would say that the cas is based on a KDF Type 82 Chassis, because this was the usual Basement for cars like that in the early times. The chassisnumber on the ID-plate is a "TP"-Number which is typical for re-registrated vehicles.

There is no proportinal line in design so there can't be a profissional automobile Designer behind that car.

The handle the guy is talking about is not a special part casted by Dannenhauer & Stauss and even the Story of the KDf-Propaganda-Engine sounds funny - in the Archive of Volkswagen, the enginecodes were not registered seperately so no one could find out the matching chassisnumber for an engine.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this odd looking VW based vehicle. Reply with quote

Whatever happend to this car?????
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