Author |
Message |
xeno Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 653 Location: Mile High
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:59 am Post subject: Identify this odd looking VW based vehicle. |
|
|
Not my car or my video. I found this while being board on youtube.
Link
_________________ Currenlty Corralled:
1952 Crotch Cooler Deluxe (US specs delivered to Stuttgart, Germany GI.)
1955 Early (Competition Motors - Hollywood, California)
1974 Thing (US specs - Mexicanos)
2008 Rabbit S (Wolfsburg DE)
2012 Golf TDI Tech Package (Wolfsburg DE) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1048 Location: Germany
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
This is not from 1951. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
Reminds me of the Tonfeld convertible.
That was made by an east german plumber as a one of Porsche-like creation.
I´d say this is also a one of build of a creative private handyman who wanted to have a "modern" looking vert in the mid or late 50s.
Some parts may be older but I´d say the build is from the late 50s.
The rear end looks too "american" for my taste but still a cool ride. _________________ Master of my domain!
Last edited by usariemen on Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:03 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
xeno Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 653 Location: Mile High
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yea the speedo and oval clock/speaker grill are not. But who knows when that was added? _________________ Currenlty Corralled:
1952 Crotch Cooler Deluxe (US specs delivered to Stuttgart, Germany GI.)
1955 Early (Competition Motors - Hollywood, California)
1974 Thing (US specs - Mexicanos)
2008 Rabbit S (Wolfsburg DE)
2012 Golf TDI Tech Package (Wolfsburg DE) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
xeno wrote: |
Yea the speedo and oval clock/speaker grill are not. But who knows when that was added? |
It´s not just the oval parts. The whole rear end with these huge "finns" was not yet really in fashion in Germany in 1951.
Find out where the taillights are taken from and it narrows down the build date a bit.
At least he called it "Eigenbau" in the clip. That might be stamped as producer in the ID plate and just means "selfmade".
So if it had not appeard in the past with more info, it maybe never can be told who made it. _________________ Master of my domain! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Rich's 50 Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2004 Posts: 10781 Location: San Diego, CA
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
UGLY!!! but pretty cool |
|
Back to top |
|
|
pbaptist Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2005 Posts: 1204 Location: Netherlands
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
Phil is trying to found out what it is for many years. He contacted Dannenhauer, but they didn't made it, he contacted drews, but also they didn't made it.
I also believe it is selfmade.
Here is a (bad) picture of the ID plate
_________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database |
|
Back to top |
|
|
peter schepens Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 1014 Location: belgium Caesars camp
|
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Maybe made in the Kaiserlauteren karrosserieschool. The door handles are like on the Rometsch banana's and BMW from the late 40's. Greetings. _________________ Zelensis, glassfibre body made in Belgium , disigned and built on a VW platform About 25 body's built.
Hebmuller info wanted for http://www.hebmueller-registry.com/home.html |
|
Back to top |
|
|
tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
|
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
I like the front, hate the rear...but a cool find though. Looks like a home build, not really coach build, although nicely done. _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
.... if it ain't dutch, it ain't much! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
_Trevor_ Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2010 Posts: 103 Location: San Clemente, CA
|
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:21 am Post subject: Modified Denzel? |
|
|
Just a wild ass guess here... but does anyone think the body started out as a Denzel? Look at the rear opening of the cabin - it goes straight across like a Denzel. Check out the front hood and engine lid (with hump added) and the rear end between the fins. Maybe it was a wrecked Denzel and the owner added his own custom touches: moved headlights outboard, elongated body with rear fins, suicide doors, different windshield frame, etc.
I'd like to see the welding of the body from the inside/underside.
Is there a book in Germany like we have here in the US regarding homemade specials: Trend Book 178 by Bob Rolofson?
The owner should get in touch with the Prototype Museum to see if they can offer additional assistance.
Patrick - Were any Denzels made of steel instead of aluminum? DK9? The owner said it had a Kubelwagen engine in it, weren't the early Denzels based upon a Kubelwagen chassis?
Cool car, regardless what it started out as!!!
Added by edit:
I found these pics in the gallery of Samba member: 2003nbc.
_________________ www.trevorgatesmetalwerks.com |
|
Back to top |
|
|
pbaptist Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2005 Posts: 1204 Location: Netherlands
|
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Modified Denzel? |
|
|
_Trevor_ wrote: |
Just a wild ass guess here... but does anyone think the body started out as a Denzel?
Patrick - Were any Denzels made of steel instead of aluminum? DK9? The owner said it had a Kubelwagen engine in it, weren't the early Denzels based upon a Kubelwagen chassis?
|
Hi Trevor,
The front looks a little bit as a Denzel, but also as a Dannenhauer or Porsche 356. I know this car for a long time and also helped Phil to figure it out was it is. Unformtunately I haven't found anything. It has something of Drews, (bumper), D&S, Denzel Porsche (front look) and studybaker (the rear).
I believe it is homebuild.
Regarding the Denzel. The first 6 denzel were fiberglass, Denzel nr 7 untill nr ?? were steal and the later cars were aluminium. There are also cars with steal body and aluminium hoods and doors _________________ Dutch Karmann-Ghia and coachbuild lover.
1* Karmann Ghia Coupe (1966 Teak)
2* Karmann Ghia Convertible (1958, 1971)
4* Rometsch Lawrence (nr 534, 555, 558 and 561)
Karmann-Ghia Lowlight page and registry
Karmann-Ghia Collectibles database |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2348 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
|
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Modified Denzel? |
|
|
pbaptist wrote: |
There are also cars with steal body and aluminium hoods and doors |
This car looks to have that type of constuction. _________________ Jack Staggs
Actual name |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Scorpion_FRL Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2011 Posts: 4
|
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
this car is also a prototype of somsort. I don't know any details on it. But it has some resemblens with the other car. split windows suicide doors..
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Wiggy Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 6601 Location: Downingtown, PA
|
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
Scorpion_FRL wrote: |
this car is also a prototype of somsort. I don't know any details on it. But it has some resemblens with the other car. split windows suicide doors..
|
COOL! _________________ Kevin "Wiggy"
My 58 Ghia Vert
My 51 Split 11G
My 57 Deluxe
My 56 Oval |
|
Back to top |
|
|
peter schepens Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 1014 Location: belgium Caesars camp
|
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Scorpion_FRL wrote: |
this car is also a prototype of somsort. I don't know any details on it. But it has some resemblens with the other car. split windows suicide doors..
|
I have seen this one last summer. It is still there. Had to climb on a rometsch to take the pict. You see the rometsch in yellow... _________________ Zelensis, glassfibre body made in Belgium , disigned and built on a VW platform About 25 body's built.
Hebmuller info wanted for http://www.hebmueller-registry.com/home.html |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Scorpion_FRL Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2011 Posts: 4
|
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
nice collection to bad what happend to the porsches upstairs.
to bad the battery of my phone and camera died after 15 pict. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Björn Schewe Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 633
|
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
This car is just a simply selfmade bodied cars based on Volkswagen in the 1950s. Nothing more. I can't imginge that even "experts" think that this car has anything to do with one of the legendary coaches like Dannenhauer & Stauss or Denzel. For me it Looks like one of the creations, students build at the coachbuilding School in Kaiserslautern. If you ask me, I would say that the cas is based on a KDF Type 82 Chassis, because this was the usual Basement for cars like that in the early times. The chassisnumber on the ID-plate is a "TP"-Number which is typical for re-registrated vehicles.
There is no proportinal line in design so there can't be a profissional automobile Designer behind that car.
The handle the guy is talking about is not a special part casted by Dannenhauer & Stauss and even the Story of the KDf-Propaganda-Engine sounds funny - in the Archive of Volkswagen, the enginecodes were not registered seperately so no one could find out the matching chassisnumber for an engine. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 719 Location: Rialto. CA
|
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Identify this odd looking VW based vehicle. |
|
|
Whatever happend to this car????? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|