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Donnie strickland
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| I am missing the ignition switch in my 71' and was planning on swapping the one from the 73 over. Will this work? I have read a few things that say the 71' is a unique year.... |
Yes, the 71 ignition switch is one year only, as is the turn signal switch.
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| Also the motor has a single center mount carb that has the air filter running though the engine lid...is there any filter setup that doesn't stick up through the engine lid??? |
Not for that carburetor. It's a total hack job on a Type 3... 
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Cplatcek
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| Donnie strickland wrote: |
| Cplatcek wrote: |
| I am missing the ignition switch in my 71' and was planning on swapping the one from the 73 over. Will this work? I have read a few things that say the 71' is a unique year.... |
Yes, the 71 ignition switch is one year only, as is the turn signal switch.
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| Also the motor has a single center mount carb that has the air filter running though the engine lid...is there any filter setup that doesn't stick up through the engine lid??? |
Not for that carburetor. It's a total hack job on a Type 3... |
Well that just sucks....can I swap the entire searing column? I have more time right now than money to buy new parts...
Ugh....well ill run it for now and look for either a dual setup or convert it back to FI like it should be... |
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Ipuente
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| Does anyone know where I can find a 71 ignition switch. I just bought my Squareback last Thursday and I found out that I need to replace the ignition switch. |
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Mike Fisher
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Those center mounted 2 barrel Weber carburetors were never meant to fit on a Type 3. The '65 should have the stock dual Solex carburetors with black oil bath air cleaner that hooks up to your fresh air supply in the right rear corner. You should tow home the '65 too because you really need it. I would get the '73 running, sell it and drive the '65. 
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Cplatcek
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Those center mounted 2 barrel Weber carburetors were never meant to fit on a Type 3. The '65 should have the stock dual Solex carburetors with black oil bath air cleaner that hooks up to your fresh air supply in the right rear corner. You should tow home the '65 too because you really need it. I would get the '73 running, sell it and drive the '65. |
65' body is toast, and no room for an extra parts car anyways...73' body is toast...I bought it for the motor to swap into the 71' and steal other misc parts. Will any stock dual carb setup work to swap over or is there a specific set of years?
Also still wondering if I can swap out the entire steering column from the 73' to 71'?? |
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Bobnotch
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73' body is toast...I bought it for the motor to swap into the 71' and steal other misc parts. Will any stock dual carb setup work to swap over or is there a specific set of years?
Also still wondering if I can swap out the entire steering column from the 73' to 71'?? |
Yes you can use the 73 column in the 71. I'd also grab the wiper motor and it's wiring too, and just swap all over at the same time (I don't remember if there's a seperate plug mid way across the dash to it  ). With the column out, it's the perfect time to do the job though. 
The other option is that which KTPhil posted up above, or finding a 70 bug column head and swapping over to it.
As for swapping to dual carbs, ideally you're looking for a set from a 67, as they have the updated jets and fuel passages, versus the 64 to 66 version. Also, the 67 set up, is for dual port heads, which is the first year for them.
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Cplatcek
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:13 am Post subject: |
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73' body is toast...I bought it for the motor to swap into the 71' and steal other misc parts. Will any stock dual carb setup work to swap over or is there a specific set of years?
Also still wondering if I can swap out the entire steering column from the 73' to 71'?? |
Yes you can use the 73 column in the 71. I'd also grab the wiper motor and it's wiring too, and just swap all over at the same time (I don't remember if there's a seperate plug mid way across the dash to it ). With the column out, it's the perfect time to do the job though.
The other option is that which KTPhil posted up above, or finding a 70 bug column head and swapping over to it.
As for swapping to dual carbs, ideally you're looking for a set from a 67, as they have the updated jets and fuel passages, versus the 64 to 66 version. Also, the 67 set up, is for dual port heads, which is the first year for them. |
Are the wiper motors different or have different plugs? just curious the reason for the swap.
If I can't find the ideal setup from a 67' what other years will work? |
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Mike Fisher
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The '64-'66 will work if you buy dual port manifolds for them.
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Bobnotch
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Are the wiper motors different or have different plugs? just curious the reason for the swap.
If I can't find the ideal setup from a 67' what other years will work? |
I'm not sure IF they're wired the same. I only say that, as 71 was the last year for the switch in the dash, and first year of it parking on the right. For 72, VW moved the wiper switch to the right side of the steering column itself. When you pull the columns, you can get a good look at both wiper motor set ups, and decide for yourself (that's what I'd do). But, if you pull the unit out of the 73, you can hang on to it in case you ever need it.
For the carbs, you could go with the 64 to 66, but you'll probably have to re-jet them, as even VW changed jetting sizes each of those years. Someone posted up a jet size chart for the different years on here, but I don't have a direct link to that post.
edit; here's the link to the chart.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=540804&highlight=type++jetting
Another option is to buy a set of Weber ICTs from CB Performance. These come with everything but a fuel pump, and are jetted to run correctly on a 1600 engine. I've got a set of them in my 71 Square, and my son has a set of them in his 65 T-3 Roadster (topless Squareback). I love the set I have, and they've even started up the car as low as 10*F. And those carbs don't have chokes.  They also deliver decent fuel mileage (within a couple of the mpgs to stock Solex carbs, or FI). 
Keep in mind that you might end up paying more for the carbs, than you did for the whole car. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Donnie strickland
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My own preference would be to swap the 73 column and wiper motor, since I like having the wiper switch on the stalk by the steering wheel -- I wish my 71 was that way.
Also the turn signal and wiper switches would be readily available new, if you needed to replace one.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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My own preference would be to swap the 73 column and wiper motor, since I like having the wiper switch on the stalk by the steering wheel -- I wish my 71 was that way.
Also the turn signal and wiper switches would be readily available new, if you needed to replace one. |
So you're saying you're a "stalker"? 
Just be aware that if you're going to do this, you'll also need the later model plastic "safety" wheel- otherwise you'll only be able to go a half- turn in one direction.
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Donnie strickland
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No plans to do so any time soon, but yes, I'm aware of the wheel situation.
Actually I kind of like the look of that wheel, and I like the look of late gauges too. I know, I'm in the minority... 
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Bobnotch
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Just be aware that if you're going to do this, you'll also need the later model plastic "safety" wheel- otherwise you'll only be able to go a half- turn in one direction. |
Yeah, I forgot to mention that too. I keep forgetting that Dave Pallo cut the stalk off, and added a "dog leg" to his, and re-attached the stalk, so he could use the earlier style steering wheel.
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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Cplatcek
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Good info, thanks! What should i be paying for a used carb setup or FI setup?
What is this "saftey wheel" you guys are talking about? |
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KTPhil
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Check the classifieds. Also look for threads where someone gives up on FI and wants to go to carbs. You might get a deal on the whole package. The problem was probably wiring not the components, so if you have good wiring (or skills) you can set that right and have a good FI system.
The safety steering wheel is a "flat front" design that incorporates a collapsible section to go along with the collapsible column on earlier cars. It's also padded in the center. |
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Cplatcek
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Check the classifieds. Also look for threads where someone gives up on FI and wants to go to carbs. You might get a deal on the whole package. The problem was probably wiring not the components, so if you have good wiring (or skills) you can set that right and have a good FI system.
The safety steering wheel is a "flat front" design that incorporates a collapsible section to go along with the collapsible column on earlier cars. It's also padded in the center. |
Yea i would def prefer FI and i'm pretty good at wiring...been browsing the classifieds and havent come across any FI setups. Plenty of dual carb ones though, so i might go that route eventually.
Ahh gotcha, ill just use the steering wheel from the 73' along with that steering column. |
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Cplatcek
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Sooo there is a FI setup for sale in the classifieds, they have it listed as 68-70. Any reason this would be a no go for my 73' motor? |
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| The '64-'66 will work if you buy dual port manifolds for them. |
Yep. Dual port manifolds bolt right up on single port heads! 
The heads, manifolds and carbs are different on a 67 - even if that little voice in your head doesn't believe it. |
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Mike Fisher
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| The '64-'66 will work if you buy dual port manifolds for them. |
Yep. Dual port manifolds bolt right up on single port heads!
The heads, manifolds and carbs are different on a 67 - even if that little voice in your head doesn't believe it. |
His '73 engine has dual port heads Einstein!
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