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Zsa_Ra79vert Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2014 Posts: 15 Location: duluth, MN
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject: turnkey motors |
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I am considering buying a turnkey performance motor for my 79 Super beetle, probably a 1835cc. I am on the fence weather or not to get a rebuilt or new.
Also, I am considering Mofoco or GEX. Are there any other reliable engine manufacturers? What are your recommendations? |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31271 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: turnkey motors |
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bjohnross wrote: |
Also, I am considering Mofoco or GEX. Are there any other reliable engine manufacturers? What are your recommendations? |
I'd choose Mofoco a thousand times more than GEX, read about GEX. Who "ever" called GEX reliable? Roy from Mofoco posts on this site too.
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I am considering buying a turnkey performance motor for my 79 Super beetle, probably a 1835cc. |
Question: is said 1979 Super Convertible still fuel injected like from the factory? _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Do a search on GEX and you'll understand why everyone laughs at the name. Don't be a typical VW person and go to the cheapest supplier. Do some research and see whats good for a driver.
And if you are thinking about going from EFI to carb, please think twice. _________________ Wash your hands
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:20 am Post subject: |
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I had no idea GEX was in my backyard until reading over some of those other threads just now.
I think I'd still rather try rebuilding myself _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
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wayne1230cars Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 2684 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:00 am Post subject: |
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I purchased a 1600 cc dual port rebuilt long block from Mofoco. It has given me 40,000 plus miles of trouble free driving and still has excellent compression. _________________ 1960 beetle
1970 beetle convertible |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13385 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:19 am Post subject: |
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From what I've read about both companies, I wouldn't use either. Look at Mofoco's feedback thread on here.
There are other engine builders out there that have excellent feedback. Have you looked around your area for a local VW shop? Often times, there are some still out there and it's nice to have them close by if a problem arises. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
Follow me on instagram @sparxwerksllc
Decades of VW and VW parts restoration experience.
The Samba member since 2004.
**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored German Pierburg fuel pumps for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche fuel pumps or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche distributors or I can restore yours** |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
From what I've read about both companies, I wouldn't use either. Look at Mofoco's feedback thread on here.
There are other engine builders out there that have excellent feedback. Have you looked around your area for a local VW shop? Often times, there are some still out there and it's nice to have them close by if a problem arises. |
YES, please check out my feedback and read all the entires. There are 33 positive comments and 19 negative comments over the last 7 years. This is obviously a very small sample of our total customers around the world. If you or anyone else has any questions, please feel free to email me direct.
Roy _________________ Please "LIKE" us on facebook to see what we are working on.
https://www.facebook.com/mofoco?ref=ts&fref=ts
www.mofoco.com
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Mr.Duncan Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
I had no idea GEX was in my backyard until reading over some of those other threads just now.
I think I'd still rather try rebuilding myself |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31271 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:48 am Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
YES, please check out my feedback and read all the entires. There are 33 positive comments and 19 negative comments over the last 7 years. This is obviously a very small sample of our total customers around the world. If you or anyone else has any questions, please feel free to email me direct. Roy |
There will ALWAYS be more negative feedback than positive on ANY Internet reviews, just human nature. Like when my brand-new Doughboy liner had a seam leak, and Doughboy conceded that it was their liner and that there was a seam leak, still balked at fulfilling its in-writing, on-Internet "100% warranty on liner seams" (said I couldn't prove that the liner was not a second-hand liner, even though I had the origianl box) and used a professional installer. I let them know I was going to blast the Internet and BBB, and finally they agreed.
I do not know Roy, don't know or care what color or religion he is, etc. But he is responsive to people's concerns and issues, and Mofoco has stood behind their stuff. So I personally feel that I'd be fine to use Mofoco.
As Joe E. Brown stated at the end of "Some Like it Hot": Nobody's Perfect !! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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My local shop just took delivery of a Gary Berg turnkey..... i'm IMPRESSED.
Not cheap, but if you want the best, its will cost you.
Turnkey, cam broken in and dyno tuned.
If you buy cheap, you get cheap and will learn it's cheaper to do it right the first time. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
From what I've read about both companies, I wouldn't use either. Look at Mofoco's feedback thread on here.
There are other engine builders out there that have excellent feedback. Have you looked around your area for a local VW shop? Often times, there are some still out there and it's nice to have them close by if a problem arises. |
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"There will ALWAYS be more negative feedback than positive on ANY Internet reviews, just human nature"
this is not true. There are hundreds of feedback threads on the Samba where there are very little if not zero complaints to be found in them. Or there is a problem and it gets resolved. Its a question of whether or not you are a gambling man. Might be a smooth transaction, might lead to you pulling your hair out.
It's your blood pressure, warning given. _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
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Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
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cseay1 Samba Member
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13385 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
wcfvw69 wrote: |
From what I've read about both companies, I wouldn't use either. Look at Mofoco's feedback thread on here.
There are other engine builders out there that have excellent feedback. Have you looked around your area for a local VW shop? Often times, there are some still out there and it's nice to have them close by if a problem arises. |
YES, please check out my feedback and read all the entires. There are 33 positive comments and 19 negative comments over the last 7 years. This is obviously a very small sample of our total customers around the world. If you or anyone else has any questions, please feel free to email me direct.
Roy |
To be clear, I have not done any business with Mofoco. I have only seen feedback from others on here to include their feedback thread. I'm only suggesting to do your research on ANY engine builder or provider of parts or service.
As others have stated, there are PLENTY of feedback threads on this site on company's with no complaints or concerns mentioned. I personally don't like to gamble w/any vendor w/less (especially an engine) than an excellent feedback rating.
The internet provides excellent feedback as to how companies perform. There's a reason that Angie's List and other sites like it are becoming popular. It holds companies accountable for their business practices and lets the consumer have the best possible information on hand before spending their hard earned money with them. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
Follow me on instagram @sparxwerksllc
Decades of VW and VW parts restoration experience.
The Samba member since 2004.
**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored German Pierburg fuel pumps for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche fuel pumps or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche distributors or I can restore yours** |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2002 Posts: 4394 Location: Brew City
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
[email protected] wrote: |
wcfvw69 wrote: |
From what I've read about both companies, I wouldn't use either. Look at Mofoco's feedback thread on here.
There are other engine builders out there that have excellent feedback. Have you looked around your area for a local VW shop? Often times, there are some still out there and it's nice to have them close by if a problem arises. |
YES, please check out my feedback and read all the entires. There are 33 positive comments and 19 negative comments over the last 7 years. This is obviously a very small sample of our total customers around the world. If you or anyone else has any questions, please feel free to email me direct.
Roy |
To be clear, I have not done any business with Mofoco. I have only seen feedback from others on here to include their feedback thread. I'm only suggesting to do your research on ANY engine builder or provider of parts or service.
As others have stated, there are PLENTY of feedback threads on this site on company's with no complaints or concerns mentioned. I personally don't like to gamble w/any vendor w/less (especially an engine) than an excellent feedback rating.
The internet provides excellent feedback as to how companies perform. There's a reason that Angie's List and other sites like it are becoming popular. It holds companies accountable for their business practices and lets the consumer have the best possible information on hand before spending their hard earned money with them. |
Really not trying to get in a pissing match but I do have one question and am very interested in what your response is. Who or what holds the people who are leaving the feedback accountable for telling the truth?
Ever heard the joke, "I read it on the internet so it MUST be true." _________________ Please "LIKE" us on facebook to see what we are working on.
https://www.facebook.com/mofoco?ref=ts&fref=ts
www.mofoco.com
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="[email protected]"]Who or what holds the people who are leaving the feedback accountable for telling the truth?{/quote]
Nothing.... you have to take everything posted with a grain of salt. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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Zsa_Ra79vert Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2014 Posts: 15 Location: duluth, MN
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: effects to car value |
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Thanks guys for the great advise. Now one more question.
I already changed the color of my car. It used to be white/ white/ white. it is a fuel injected 79 convertible. If I plug a new motor in, I will get rid of the fuel injection. Stupid idea? What will that do to the value of my car? |
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Mr.Duncan wrote: |
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Yeah-- we all know how that turned out.
Still.... _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13385 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: effects to car value |
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Zsa_Ra79vert wrote: |
Thanks guys for the great advise. Now one more question.
I already changed the color of my car. It used to be white/ white/ white. it is a fuel injected 79 convertible. If I plug a new motor in, I will get rid of the fuel injection. Stupid idea? What will that do to the value of my car? |
If it was mine, I'd absolutely keep it stock and leave the fuel injection in the car. VW's are MUCH more desirable in stock form with all the original items they came from the factory with. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
Follow me on instagram @sparxwerksllc
Decades of VW and VW parts restoration experience.
The Samba member since 2004.
**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored German Pierburg fuel pumps for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche fuel pumps or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche distributors or I can restore yours** |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
wcfvw69 wrote: |
[email protected] wrote: |
wcfvw69 wrote: |
From what I've read about both companies, I wouldn't use either. Look at Mofoco's feedback thread on here.
There are other engine builders out there that have excellent feedback. Have you looked around your area for a local VW shop? Often times, there are some still out there and it's nice to have them close by if a problem arises. |
YES, please check out my feedback and read all the entires. There are 33 positive comments and 19 negative comments over the last 7 years. This is obviously a very small sample of our total customers around the world. If you or anyone else has any questions, please feel free to email me direct.
Roy |
To be clear, I have not done any business with Mofoco. I have only seen feedback from others on here to include their feedback thread. I'm only suggesting to do your research on ANY engine builder or provider of parts or service.
As others have stated, there are PLENTY of feedback threads on this site on company's with no complaints or concerns mentioned. I personally don't like to gamble w/any vendor w/less (especially an engine) than an excellent feedback rating.
The internet provides excellent feedback as to how companies perform. There's a reason that Angie's List and other sites like it are becoming popular. It holds companies accountable for their business practices and lets the consumer have the best possible information on hand before spending their hard earned money with them. |
Really not trying to get in a pissing match but I do have one question and am very interested in what your response is. Who or what holds the people who are leaving the feedback accountable for telling the truth?
Ever heard the joke, "I read it on the internet so it MUST be true." |
I'm not trying to get in a debate either Roy. Clearly people are smart enough to filter through the feedback and make there own, informed opinions.
No, I don't believe everyone tells the whole truth, all the time. I also know that people don't always take the time to post a positive remark when they are satisfied with a transaction but will take the time when they get upset w/a company. I do believe you see trends and short comings in a business when many different people complain of the same things or frustrations. It demonstrates a pattern _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
Follow me on instagram @sparxwerksllc
Decades of VW and VW parts restoration experience.
The Samba member since 2004.
**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored German Pierburg fuel pumps for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche fuel pumps or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche distributors or I can restore yours** |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: effects to car value |
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Zsa_Ra79vert wrote: |
Thanks guys for the great advise. Now one more question.
I already changed the color of my car. It used to be white/ white/ white. it is a fuel injected 79 convertible. If I plug a new motor in, I will get rid of the fuel injection. Stupid idea? What will that do to the value of my car? |
Automobiles are no different than anything else in regards to modifying or altering antiques or collector items. Well preserved originals always bring more come resale time. Back when I was first getting into the VW scene people were still cutting up oval window bugs to make baja bugs. Unless your car is pretty rough, rusty, missing parts in which case it might be too expensive to return to original that would justify making those mods just to have a functional car.fuel injected cars ran better and got better gas mileage than non FI dual ports. But who cares? Paint it titty pink and put big motor in it. |
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