Is this trim/rubber correct?

butlern · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:07 am Post subject: Is this trim/rubber correct?

I have read all "how-to's" about installing glass/rubber/trim, but mine looks like it can't possibly be correct.

Parts in hand:
1970 Ghia rear window
66.5-74 Ghia rear window moulded rubber from KGPR (German)
T-trim from KGPR

The trim looks pre-contoured to fit the window/opening, but when installing the trim in the rubber (rubber is on the window), the trim looks like it will hang out over the glass, and not center itself on the rubber.

The catch-lip on the t-trim seems like it should be offset in the other orientation (closer to inside bend).

Am I missing something?

This fool (me, of course) thanks you in advance!

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Woreign · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:35 am Post subject:

According to this photo, it looks like your trim might have been bent the wrong way. The "hook" of the trim should face toward the glass:

butlern · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:51 am Post subject:

I totally agree that the stock straight trim was formed in the wrong direction.

If true, it's pretty ridiculous and disappointing that KGPR to let these go out the door.

Woreign · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:15 am Post subject:

Are both halves of the trim bent the wrong way? Your last photo on the rear glass looks fine.

butlern · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:25 am Post subject:

Yes, both are bent the wrong way, I believe. Both halves look the same with respect to the T notch. I also got new trim for the front window, and they are bent with the hook towards the window opening (not towards the glass). So, I suspect those are wrong, too.

That last photo is the same trim laid above the rubber. That was my attempt to show the trim is formed correctly, but the T is out of whack relative to the groove in the rubber seal.

I'm wondering if it's possible to rework the trim and bend it the other way. My concern is that there will be fatigue or warps and waves that will result.

Jeze, this Sunday sucks! I wanted to get it all back together today.

butlern · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:22 am Post subject:

On a positive note, I refurbished the windshield fluid system… shoots over the car and into the neighbors yard.

I suppose I better check the pressure in the spare tire!

Can anyone confirm that the rubber installation looks correct on my glass? I'm starting to second guess everything. The material from KGPR should fit perfectly.

Maybe this is a rubber seal issue, but the rubber was moulded and fit naturally the way it's installed now.

Brassneck · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:15 pm Post subject:

I've not installed windshield trim, but is it possible that you have the rubber inside out...meaning that the glass is sitting inside the wrong edge? If you were to take the rubber off and flip it so the other side of the rubber is now on the outside... wouldn't that fix the t trim slot location? Just a thought.

butlern · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject:

I'll have another look at the rubber...

Perhaps it's become my own personal Mobius knot

butlern · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:47 pm Post subject:

Tried, flipping and inverting, but the rear rubber seal only really fits one sensible way (the way I had it installed originally).

I'm now wondering if I was perhaps sent C-trim rubber. For giggles I fit the front rubber T-trim windshield seal on the rear glass, and it looks quite correct.

Based on the HoG catalogue image posted, it's still not clear if I have C-trim rubber, because the trim slot should be adjacent to the metal, but mine is very close to the glass (original photos).

I will call KGPR and share my pictures and see if they can enlighten me.

(unless someone else chimes in to tell me I am as dumb as I look)

Noah

rcooled · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:02 am Post subject:

That's C-trim rubber you have there...KGPR will exchange it for the correct T-trim seal.
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butlern · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:06 am Post subject:

Thanks for the confirmation, rcooled.

Yesterday I posted my concerns in the KGPR/Airhead technical discussion forum, but have not heard anything from representatives/moderators yet.

I will call and see what they say about an exchange.

Noah

butlern · Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:59 pm Post subject:

Just wanted to tip my hat to KGPR.

They responded quickly and confirmed the mislabeling mistake in the warehouse.

They also found at least one other rubber seal that was mislabeled, so hopefully my experience has prevented someone else's potential frustration.

New seal on it's way!

I'll be glad to have the window back in place (even though you can apparently drive just about anything on Oklahoma roads… I see hoodl-ess, trunk-less, fender-less and light-less cars on the roads every day here. Free-for-all. Oklahoma is a curious place… can you tell I'm not from here?)

Thanks for all the feedback and supportive information.

Noah

KGCoupe · Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:32 pm Post subject:

butlern · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:29 pm Post subject:

New seal came today.

Trim fits very well (conforms to glass/opening) but there's a bit of overhang. The equivalent space is a gap on other side, of course.

So, reshape metal trim or dremel to fit? I vote dremel, but want to make sure I'm not going to ruin anything.

butlern · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:10 pm Post subject:

Dremel, it was.

15 minutes with the help of my neighbor (included cleanup time).

Much smoother than I thought it was going to be!

Now onto the front seal. Clearly some issues there, too.

Kharon8 · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Is this trim/rubber correct?

Not directly related to this case but the photos helped me a lot as I was supposed to have a C-trim rubber and I wasn't sure what I really got.

These pics show clearly that I've correct seal (installed today), nice, and thanks for the pics!

Only small feat now is to install the C-trim to the rubber, I've heard it's a real task.

I've had the rear window trim on the shelf almost 12 years now, I hope I still can find the locking pieces ...
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