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Joe 20
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| August 1, 1914 Germany ordered a general mobilization of its troops in preparation for war... It seems that people have forgotten "The War to End All Wars" and the millions who died for no damned good reason. Since we deal with basically a German car, I just thought it was fitting to remember... |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: 100 years ago today |
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| Joe 20 wrote: |
| August 1, 1914 Germany ordered a general mobilization of its troops in preparation for war... It seems that people have forgotten "The War to End All Wars" and the millions who died for no damned good reason. Since we deal with basically a German car, I just thought it was fitting to remember... |
War in the name of peace never seems to work out all that well, does it?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: Re: 100 years ago today |
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| Joe 20 wrote: |
| August 1, 1914 Germany ordered a general mobilization of its troops in preparation for war... It seems that people have forgotten "The War to End All Wars" and the millions who died for no damned good reason. Since we deal with basically a German car, I just thought it was fitting to remember... |
War never seems to work out all that well, does it? |
FIFY!
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BWD
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Damn, just damn! 
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John Moxon
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A hundred years seems a long time. The events of WW1 to most are history but the consequences for millions of families, (on both sides) when I was growing up was all too evident and all too real.
My mother and her brothers and sisters grew up without their father, my grandmother without her husband. Help in the form of the war widow's pension was not nearly enough to raise a family of five...my grandmother worked hard to raise them the best she could. She made a terrific job of it.
It's not an extraordinary story, it was as they say, "par for the course" Our family have never forgotten the grandfather we never knew because it left an indelible mark on our loved ones who raised us.
A hundred years is not so long ago when you knew so many of your family who were affected by the loss.
Charles James Sillence...died Arras, Thursday 28th March 1918 aged 40.
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drscope
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100 years after the war to end all wars and it looks as if we are on the edge of doing it all again.
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Jacks
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Odd, how that a normal citizen never starts a war. Leave that to the "leaders". 
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| The blast was one of the biggest non-nuclear explosions of all times and was audible in Dublin and London. |
Just last week I happened to catch 3 History Channel shows on WWI, one on WMD's and the effort to tunnel in order to blow up the hill in Messines was incredible. |
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A couple of years back I was cleaning out a cupboard at my mother's and found a 100 page manuscript (typed) that my Grandfather wrote (in 1932) of his experiences in WW1. He served with the PRINCESS PATRICIA’S CANADIAN LIGHT INFANTRY.
I spent several months transcribing it word for word (which was sometimes difficult due to the graphic content and language (he used many English words used that have fallen into dis-use)). I took great care to preserve the language, grammer, spelling and punctuation exactly as the original.
Here is a random excerpt where he describes the rain and mud at Passendale (note he called the Germans 'Fritz'):
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| ...we went down to storekeepers and got a supply of what stuff we required, and brought it back and packed it away in sand bags securely, and handed it over to the transport for carrying to the Waterloo Farm where we would get it later on, this they did, it was fourteen miles from our place to the Waterloo Farm, the Regimental Dressing station, and we made good time, as soon as we got a couple of miles over the ridge that ran across the plain, just beyond the four corners, which Fritz had registered so accurately that he never missed it, we pulled up on high ground where it was not so muddy, and putting up our pup-tents, small one man tents made of prepared rubber preparation and laid down and went to sleep, again we slept the night through, but there were times when we had uneasy moments, with the shells like the “nerts” of the rain drops, breaking when they fell, whee-smell that one, get on your mask, or its up with you, at four o’clock we were up and ready to go when we got breakfast, there was no intention to move until night fall so we went back to bed and slept all day again, they had not told us before that we would be there all day, but common sense might have told us we would, it was pouring very, very heavy and it came down in torrents for hours and hours, and the world became a morass and millions slipped off the narrow tracks across country and drowned in agony, for no one could lend them a helping hand, things were too close for their own skins and they had always to keep moving in order to clear the rapidly increasing traffic as daylight approached, thousands of men in that horrible muck, were never seen again, thank God for the records that enabled the Gov’t to advise them all... |
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| Just last week I happened to catch 3 History Channel shows on WWI, one on WMD's and the effort to tunnel in order to blow up the hill in Messines was incredible. |
I believe that this is an eyewitness description of the explosion you refer to (from my Grandfather's manuscript). Here he refers to the Germans as 'boche':
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| ....This mine was going up well to the right of the last one sent up before we came to the territory, and it was located with its left side facing our post, everything was made ready, ample supplies of mills bombs were on hand, and we were in position to put up a good argument, the machine gun batteries seven guns, not batteries in all, were also moved up to our post and a shell hole just by the right of the sap, well everything was all set by midnight, and we had been told the mine would go at exactly twelve thirty AM, so we sat there and waited for the time to come, it was a ling wait, because there was no speaking to be done, and everything was as still as the grave for thirty minutes, then, hell broke loose, Lord, I guess there was only one greater explosion of a mine than this one, and that was Hill 70. First, there was a long low, rumbling roar, then the ground under us began to heave and turn, followed by a sheet of red-green-yellow flame, it blinded us completely for several minutes despite the gas masks we had on to protect us against the gasses from the mine, that blaze must have shot into the air hundreds of feet, and then the debris began to drop, the upheaval of the crater had to send us back about forty yards, and we were a good sixty yards from the top of the crater when we got dug out of the mud and chalk and rocks that buried us feet deep, in the meantime, the Vickers guns located a few rods back of us, and on a raise in the ground level with the new crater, were sweeping it steadily, somehow no one had told them we were to consolidate this crater, and we had to wait while a runner beat it back to them and informed them, then they stopped and we went ahead, it is the opinion of most of us who were there that not a boche lived through that terrible blast, the men in the line said they could see them flying up out of sight in the light of the flares that the enemy in reserve and support had thrown up as soon as the blast went, we were too busy to see any of that, at any rate, we had plenty of time to get up onto that crater and fix up two bombing and observation posts and occupy same before the enemy took any action. About two o’clock some of our scouts came in on the run, they were badly winded, they had been right back to the other side of the ridge and reported to the officers around there that the communication trenches across the wide meadow from Lens-Arres roads were alive with men coming at the double, shouting and roaring loudly, the artillery was advised and immediately opened up on this well known trench, I should imagine they lost a good many men. |
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Most people don't understand the complexities that ignited WWI (treaties and marriages of sovereigns). This is one of the best explanations for the layman: If WWI were a bar fight.
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| Most people don't understand the complexities that ignited WWI (treaties and marriages of sovereigns). This is one of the best explanations for the layman: If WWI were a bar fight. |
Bill Maher had a short rant about how he never understood what caused WWI. he said if you can't summarize it on one sentence then there was no good reason. |
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| Most people don't understand the complexities that ignited WWI (treaties and marriages of sovereigns). This is one of the best explanations for the layman: If WWI were a bar fight. |
Bill Maher had a short rant about how he never understood what caused WWI. he said if you can't summarize it on one sentence then there was no good reason. |
Bill Maher is an *ss!
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| "Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity" -George Carlin |
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| Just last week I happened to catch 3 History Channel shows on WWI, one on WMD's and the effort to tunnel in order to blow up the hill in Messines was incredible. |
I believe that this is an eyewitness description of the explosion you refer to (from my Grandfather's manuscript). Here he refers to the Germans as 'boche':
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| ....This mine was going up well to the right of the last one sent up before we came to the territory, and it was located with its left side facing our post, everything was made ready, ample supplies of mills bombs were on hand, and we were in position to put up a good argument, the machine gun batteries seven guns, not batteries in all, were also moved up to our post and a shell hole just by the right of the sap, well everything was all set by midnight, and we had been told the mine would go at exactly twelve thirty AM, so we sat there and waited for the time to come, it was a ling wait, because there was no speaking to be done, and everything was as still as the grave for thirty minutes, then, hell broke loose, Lord, I guess there was only one greater explosion of a mine than this one, and that was Hill 70. First, there was a long low, rumbling roar, then the ground under us began to heave and turn, followed by a sheet of red-green-yellow flame, it blinded us completely for several minutes despite the gas masks we had on to protect us against the gasses from the mine, that blaze must have shot into the air hundreds of feet, and then the debris began to drop, the upheaval of the crater had to send us back about forty yards, and we were a good sixty yards from the top of the crater when we got dug out of the mud and chalk and rocks that buried us feet deep, in the meantime, the Vickers guns located a few rods back of us, and on a raise in the ground level with the new crater, were sweeping it steadily, somehow no one had told them we were to consolidate this crater, and we had to wait while a runner beat it back to them and informed them, then they stopped and we went ahead, it is the opinion of most of us who were there that not a boche lived through that terrible blast, the men in the line said they could see them flying up out of sight in the light of the flares that the enemy in reserve and support had thrown up as soon as the blast went, we were too busy to see any of that, at any rate, we had plenty of time to get up onto that crater and fix up two bombing and observation posts and occupy same before the enemy took any action. About two o’clock some of our scouts came in on the run, they were badly winded, they had been right back to the other side of the ridge and reported to the officers around there that the communication trenches across the wide meadow from Lens-Arres roads were alive with men coming at the double, shouting and roaring loudly, the artillery was advised and immediately opened up on this well known trench, I should imagine they lost a good many men. |
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| Most people don't understand the complexities that ignited WWI (treaties and marriages of sovereigns). This is one of the best explanations for the layman: If WWI were a bar fight. |
Bill Maher had a short rant about how he never understood what caused WWI. he said if you can't summarize it on one sentence then there was no good reason. |
I am going to read this one of these days: War Is A Racket: By Major General Smedley Butler (1935).
Also, people still can't escape the dangers: 100 years since WWI, experts say shells still explosive.
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I've seen several recent articles on the topic of undetonated explosives.
It's not just in Europe, I will from time to time see/hear about explosives & wmd's (mustard gas) around the neighborhoods vicinity/area of American U. in DC as that was a training area during WWI. |
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Joe 20
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LOL!!!! Most people have never even heard of Smedley Butler  |
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