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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: Clutch broke :( |
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Sorry guys..happened as I pulled into work this morning. (At least it waited)
Being at work I don't have the time to research the forums either
That being said.. something gave way. No longer any spring action.
Any thoughts? |
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vincent9993 Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2006 Posts: 2025 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Happened to us in RI, cable broke on the pressed-in threaded adjuster. I tood a piece of spare steel cable and looped it in the eye of the lever and clamped it to the broken cable. Made it home (600 miles).
Really depends where the cable is broken... Could be just the clamps gave up... Assuming you have clamps holding the shortened cable.
Good luck. |
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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:11 am Post subject: |
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As I can't get under it I'm not sure where that it. Going from memory when I repaired the front transfer mount.
I'm wondering if there is a spring on the bell housing?
The cable is still tight...just no return spring at all. |
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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Well..it appears I just got lucky.
Had a guy that works in the other building help me out real quick.
Bad clutch cable. Very frayed at the nut on the bell housing. Broke loose and stretched out.
looks like I'm gonna have to borrow that tow bar at lunch after all. |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:07 am Post subject: |
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You probably have something like this aftermarket clutch cable fitting(on the left). They will fray and break a cable in as little as a few months.
It should at least be replaced with a pair of real cable clamps.
The best thing is to have a new threaded metric fitting swaged on the cable at the correct length
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=465764&highlight=clutch+cable+clamp |
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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Nope.
I was going to order that tho.
Nah it's just looped around the arm with a wing nut and jam nut.
Frayed at the nut broke strands and pulled thru |
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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Why not just get a new cable and loop the excess using 2 cable clamps and using the correct mating nut to the lever on the bellhousing?
Anyone had any problems having a loop in their cable? |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:36 am Post subject: |
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This will work fine and last a long time, they have the clamps at the hardware store. After its clamped, you can cut off the extra loop and just leave an inch or so extra cable on each end past the clamps, or you can leave the loop, it won't hurt.
Use the correct VW cable wingnut
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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Cool ...thanks. I had found that also. Just wanted to make sure it would work.
But...
It's still stranded. I picked up the towbar... but it doesn't fit.
Why does it not fit?
Because my front end is 29.5" across and most 64 beetles are 30.5" if the info I was given is correct.
Whoever did this I can't tell it's been narrowed. Lol.
Regardless I've gotta find a way to get this thing home before dark or it may not be here tomorrow |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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You might be able to unscrew the grease fittings from the front beam to get the tow bar to fit. I noticed that about my tow bar, it will work with a stock beam, but if I install a 2 inch narrowed beam the zerk fittings would be in the way.
Jerry39218 wrote: |
Cool ...thanks. I had found that also. Just wanted to make sure it would work.
But...
It's still stranded. I picked up the towbar... but it doesn't fit.
Why does it not fit?
Because my front end is 29.5" across and most 64 beetles are 30.5" if the info I was given is correct.
Whoever did this I can't tell it's been narrowed. Lol.
Regardless I've gotta find a way to get this thing home before dark or it may not be here tomorrow |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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If somebody gives you a push to get you rolling you can actually try to synch the engine speed and trans and then just jam it in gear. Once you're going you can actually shift. Its noisy and scary and doesn't do the trans any good and it can be hazardous, but it can get you home in a pinch. To stop you just pull it out of gear and brake normal.
Another way to start is with the engine off, put it in first then just turn on the starter and release the key once the engine is running. You have to pre-plan your route and avoid stops and don't make yourself a traffic hazard.
Another way is with a long tow strap behind a friend's car.
Figuring out how to best cope with problems like this is actually part of the fun of owning a buggy. You'll also learn first hand why you should do every job the right way
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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BL3Manx wrote: |
If somebody gives you a push to get you rolling you can actually try to synch the engine speed and trans and just jam it in gear. Once you're going you can actually shift. Its noisy and scary and pretty dangerous but can get you home in a pinch. To stop you just pull it out of gear.
Another way to start is with the engine off, put it in first then just turn on the starter and release the key once the engine is running. You have to pre-plan your route and avoid stops and don't make yourself a traffic hazard. |
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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Grease fittings removed already. It's the main beams behind the front tube that goes to the pan that is in the way. Where the tow cradles sit is exactly where those beams are. And no..too dangerous to limp home like that with the route I have to take. |
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lil-jinx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2013 Posts: 1109 Location: New Brunswick,Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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tow truck works pretty good. |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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lil-jinx wrote: |
tow truck works pretty good. |
Not so much where you break in a buggy, which is usually the worst possible spot to have it happen, like on the back side of a ridge east of Lone Pine |
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lil-jinx Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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That's when you need to get creative |
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LeeVW Samba Member
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Great post |
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Jerry39218 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 182 Location: Brandon, MS
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:01 am Post subject: |
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lil-jinx wrote: |
That's when you need to get creative |
This creative enough?
and here is the snapped clutch cable
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vincent9993 Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2006 Posts: 2025 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Jerry39218 wrote: |
and here is the snapped clutch cable
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Not sure what cme first but you may have a problem here... Looks like the clutch arm spring is also broken. It may have broken when the cable snapped but unlikely, those springs are pretty strong.
I don't like to see steel cables wedged like that, it's almost certain that they will cut over time. Either use a pressed on bolt or shorten by looping an original length cable with cable clamps.
Good luck with the repairs. |
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