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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:38 am    Post subject: Alternator issue... Need advice please... Reply with quote

Hi All,

Would like some advice if possible please...

My battery went flat.. Crying or Very sad so i recharged it (over charged a bit )

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My Gen / Alt light is not lighting up when I turn the ignition on

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I earthed the wire coming from the Gen / Alt light with ignition on/engine off
just long enough to check if the light works and it does.

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D+ on the Alt is connected through the indicator light to the ignition.
B+ I connected straight to the + terminal on the battery ( can I do that? )

the 75a alternator is 8 months old and this is my first flat battery since installed. Purchased from California Import Parts.

I thought I could test the volts coming out of the Alternator so I disconnected the alt from the battery and connected the Wire from b+ terminal up a multi meter so it would only show the output of the alternator..

This is idling

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This is keeping the revs up

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So as far as I know... Its providing a charge? right?

Well I am lost and really don't want to spend another $150 on a new Alternator..

Please someone point me in the right direction...

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Any advice would be greatly appreciated Laughing ..
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many shitty chinese parts can you stick on one engine?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this is an alt with an internal regulator and the generator regulator in the back corner of the engine comp. is disconnected, right?

FYI, running an alt with it disconnected from the battery can easily destroy the alt, the regulator, or both. There is no valid test
of an alternator like that, your readings there are meaningless.

See your Bentley manual for proper alt/reg tests you can make.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure all the wiring on the dash is solid. It wont charge if the idiot light isn't working.

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How many shitty chinese parts can you stick on one engine?


A lot. Which if the inside of the alt was poorly chromed that can cause a problem, doesn't seem like that's whats going on.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your alternator looks to be shot, though maybe it could just be the regulator. Buy with care from CIP1/CIP2. New parts fail, they always have, but sadly even if you buy Bosch you are likely only getting third world quality parts.

I have to agree with VdubTech. Adding cheezy crap to your engine just increases the likelyhood of problems.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VDubTech wrote:
How many shitty chinese parts can you stick on one engine?


Haha!!

Is it really that bad?..

Coil is from brazil ( made in China? I dont Know )
The Alternator is most definitely made in china Crying or Very sad
not sure about the elec. fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator.
Exhaust, I dont know..
Tinware? yeah probably chinese..

everything else is stock.. original manifold and carb.

So to my knowledge, the answer to your question is...
I dont know, maybe 4...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kreemoweet wrote:
So this is an alt with an internal regulator and the generator regulator in the back corner of the engine comp. is disconnected, right?

FYI, running an alt with it disconnected from the battery can easily destroy the alt, the regulator, or both. There is no valid test
of an alternator like that, your readings there are meaningless.

See your Bentley manual for proper alt/reg tests you can make.


Yep, internal regulator. I just left the Gen regulator there disconnected.

Hmm. ok I wont be testing an Alternator that way again, Thanks..

I don't have a Bentley manual Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian wrote:
Make sure all the wiring on the dash is solid. It wont charge if the idiot light isn't working.

A lot. Which if the inside of the alt was poorly chromed that can cause a problem, doesn't seem like that's whats going on.


So I made sure the idiot light was working..
What else should I check?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildthings wrote:
Your alternator looks to be shot, though maybe it could just be the regulator. Buy with care from CIP1/CIP2. New parts fail, they always have, but sadly even if you buy Bosch you are likely only getting third world quality parts.

I have to agree with VdubTech. Adding cheezy crap to your engine just increases the likelyhood of problems.


Ok Thanks.

What alternator would you suggest buying for my Dub?


Now Im embarrassed, Is it REALLY that bad???
Just from the engine photo please tell me what you see that you believe
I should not have fitted.. Besides the Alternator Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, was the dash light working properly before the battery went dead? If it wasn't then your circuit wasn't complete and charging wasn't happening, thus your battery went dead.
If it was working properly and your battery went dead then your alternator either roached out or the internal regulator or both. How old is the battery? Old batteries lose their ability to hold a charge at the end of their lives..
Looks like there is a large gap in your rear tin under the disbt. Take a closer pic of that and post. I may be seeing things wrong however. That dial-o-matic fuel pressure regulator is a no bueno. You don't need one at all if you get an electric pump that's pre-set to like 3 lbs. of pressure.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jody '71 wrote:
so, was the dash light working properly before the battery went dead? If it wasn't then your circuit wasn't complete and charging wasn't happening, thus your battery went dead.
If it was working properly and your battery went dead then your alternator either roached out or the internal regulator or both. How old is the battery? Old batteries lose their ability to hold a charge at the end of their lives


Hi Smile

The battery is old.. I will replace when i can afford to..

I believe the dash light works correctly. I had a slipping belt recently and the light would come on as it was slipping and go out if I accelerated and the belt gripped..

The day my battery went flat the dash light was on and off for the entire 1.5hrs drive i went on... and i broke down as i parked in the driveway of my home..
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jody '71 wrote:
so, was the dash light working properly before the battery went dead? If it wasn't then your circuit wasn't complete and charging wasn't happening, thus your battery went dead.
If it was working properly and your battery went dead then your alternator either roached out or the internal regulator or both. How old is the battery? Old batteries lose their ability to hold a charge at the end of their lives..
Looks like there is a large gap in your rear tin under the disbt. Take a closer pic of that and post. I may be seeing things wrong however. That dial-o-matic fuel pressure regulator is a no bueno. You don't need one at all if you get an electric pump that's pre-set to like 3 lbs. of pressure.


A piece of the tinware fell off Crying or Very sad ( yes cheap cheesy part )
I have a replacement piece to install.. its been like that for months..
Hasnt changed the running temp at all.. It always run hot..
6kms down the highway at 90kms and temps reaches 125 degrees.. that is if the gauge is accurate..

I will post some more pics.. and I know i should be, but im not concerned with the hole in the tinware...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jody '71 wrote:
so, was the dash light working properly before the battery went dead? If it wasn't then your circuit wasn't complete and charging wasn't happening, thus your battery went dead.
If it was working properly and your battery went dead then your alternator either roached out or the internal regulator or both. How old is the battery? Old batteries lose their ability to hold a charge at the end of their lives..
Looks like there is a large gap in your rear tin under the disbt. Take a closer pic of that and post. I may be seeing things wrong however. That dial-o-matic fuel pressure regulator is a no bueno. You don't need one at all if you get an electric pump that's pre-set to like 3 lbs. of pressure.


Heres the hole.. u have a good eye...

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See I have another cheap replacement.

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Heres the fuel pump.. description from supplier is "IN LINE FUEL PUMP 12V QUIET 30GPH FLOW AT 2-4 PSI AND REQUIRED NO PRESSURE REGULATOR." Does it really matter if I have one fitted?

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Anyway its set at 2
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you need to change, try BNR parts on ebay. They remanufacture alternators and some here have used them.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looking at those numbers reminds me of when I lost a diode in mine. Any flaps can test it running in your car. (If they know how.)

Is that a 1/4 mile go like hell power pulley on your low rpm city driving bus?
Bet it runs hot during the summer?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lightice wrote:
If you need to change, try BNR parts on ebay. They remanufacture alternators and some here have used them.


Coolies.. will look them up Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

williamM wrote:
looking at those numbers reminds me of when I lost a diode in mine. Any flaps can test it running in your car. (If they know how.)

Is that a 1/4 mile go like hell power pulley on your low rpm city driving bus?
Bet it runs hot during the summer?


I thought the pulley looked good and I wanted 1 with numbers..

It runs hot in winter!! I dont go over 90kms..
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You should be able to get a nice pulley with mor diameter and number- they fall out of trees round here. (I live in the desert- so- take that into consideration) Laughing
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you are going to get stranded or worse hanging all that weight off a tee like that.

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I agree with SGKent. Take that tee off (it serves no purpose) and put your OP sender back where it belongs. I can see why it's running hot with all that chrome aftermarket stuff on there. Replace it now with original German tin or replace it all later when your engine fries.
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