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sandhopper Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Norwalk Ca
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:44 am Post subject: hood |
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Has anyone buit a hood from scratch ?
I have a body missing the hood , so far I have not found anything to fit
The body front is a little smaller than a Manx , the sides bow a bit more than the road runner
So I think this is one that needs to be custom , would like to see if anyone has tried this
Thinking of starting with some foam and laying fiberglass on that |
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frizzardking Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2011 Posts: 575 Location: BUFFALO N.Y
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:53 am Post subject: Hood |
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I am in the same predicament , I have a Meyers Manx Resorter missing the hood and cant find one to fit , the Manx hood is too Wide , Cant find a person to Splash one from , So what too Do ! |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I think in both cases it would be easier to start with an existing hood and make cuts to either narrow or widen the hood, then reassemble it with wood and screws, V cut all the seams and rejoin them with with fiberglass, remove the wood and screws and build up the inside along the seams |
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:11 am Post subject: |
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BL3Manx wrote: |
I think in both cases it would be easier to start with an existing hood and make cuts to either narrow or widen the hood, then reassemble it with wood and screws, V cut all the seams and rejoin them with with fiberglass, remove the wood and screws and build up the inside along the seams |
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Here is how I widened my hard top.
Same thing for narrowing, just reverse. _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
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tgodber Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2004 Posts: 410 Location: Okanagan Falls B.C. Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:22 am Post subject: |
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You did a very nice job on the hardtop. Impressive. That would be the way to go I think also.
Building a hood from scratch would be costly?? _________________ My wife said I never listen to her.
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:47 am Post subject: |
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The "start with something" concept is a lot easier than starting with nothing (making mock up and them glassing over it).... The very subject came up a year or so ago and with a bit of search you can find original thread....
Fiberglass works easy meaning you can cut and grind and sand with any tools used for wood.... Wood blocks, screws and foam blocks and masking tape are wonderful fillers and such in aiding in glass layup.........
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manxdavid Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 1841 Location: David Jones, Anglesey, North Wales, UK. Manxclub #678.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:57 am Post subject: |
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WTS^^^
Definitely start with a regular hood and 'nip & tuck' until you get what you want, then maybe use as a buck to mould a new one from, or use 'as-is' if it turned out OK. |
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monomanx Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2004 Posts: 715 Location: Southeast
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:23 am Post subject: |
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If I may add to this thread, if you decide to take an existing part and chop/cut/add/remove, you need to make sure and follow the symmetry of the part. Keep in mind little details like the wiper holes etc. If you plan to install wipers, the center to center distance is important unless you want to recreate the wiper frame etc.
Adding to either one side or the other will result in the areas that tuck into the fender lip of the body not lining up and making the hood sit crooked.
If you widen or narrow the hood, the dash will have to also be modified to fit. |
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sandhopper Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Norwalk Ca
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject: hood mods |
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Ok I tarted today with moding a hood to fit
The attached pictures shows progress
In on of the pictures you can see the gap between hood and fender , how can this be added or adjusted ?
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sandhopper Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Norwalk Ca
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:39 pm Post subject: hood |
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The last picture really does not show the gap because of a shadow
In the front it is good , but about 8 -12 inches back I have 1/2 - 3/4 inch gap each side
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wvbowtieman Samba Member
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mask off fender with several layers of tape and lay of couple of strips of resin and cloth on masked area of fender (that's right fender).... Place hood on body and full gap with foam to just below where finished surface will be..... Glass over the foam on all sides and even out where ever, with more resin and cloth and maybe some sort of fillers.... Be prepared for it to get ugly before it gets better....
Grind, sand, eyeball, fill, grind, sand and eyeball till satisfied with fit....
Alternative would be some sort of seal or welting as mentioned above....
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surfnc Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2006 Posts: 948 Location: OBX, NC
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Run a #8-10 bolt through the fender and the edge of the hood. Tighten it up. You will be surprised how much the hood will move out to fill the space. The fenders tend to "droop" down over time without a hood attached and will move in to help fill the gap. You may have to use 4-6 bolts but you will see how well it might work for you by trying one.
When you do the final fit you may have to use screws where you cannot get your arm in to snug up the bolt. You could use nutzerts or glass/epoxy in the nuts on the inside of the hood.
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Mine has that same gap and I have been driving it that way for 10 years now. _________________
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind none of these bodies are perfect. Just give it the best effort you can. It looks like you're well on the way to building your hood. _________________ www.LoCashRacing.org
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce used really big blind rivets on the Classic Manx hood |
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tgodber Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2004 Posts: 410 Location: Okanagan Falls B.C. Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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I would say those gaps would close up if you had some short steel flat bar pieces with nuts welded on to run along the outer edge of the hood. Large fender washers on the fender side.
This would spread out the pressure and the gap would close easily I think. _________________ My wife said I never listen to her.
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Iguana Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2008 Posts: 922 Location: SOCAL
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Modelling clay and alfoil works well. The alfoil needs no release agent and the clay is easy to shape. Or you can just use a hot mix and it will go off.
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karu Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Iguana wrote: |
Modelling clay and alfoil works well. The alfoil needs no release agent and the clay is easy to shape. Or you can just use a hot mix and it will go off.
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Really nice work!!!
How expensive is modeling clay? Also how did you keep the symmetry? |
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Iguana Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2008 Posts: 922 Location: SOCAL
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:56 am Post subject: |
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karu wrote: |
Iguana wrote: |
Modelling clay and alfoil works well. The alfoil needs no release agent and the clay is easy to shape. Or you can just use a hot mix and it will go off.
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Really nice work!!!
How expensive is modeling clay? Also how did you keep the symmetry? |
Clay is cheap around $1 per lbs in most places. Just keep it out of the sun |
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