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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:36 am Post subject: Isabelle the 1965 VW bug resto. |
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Hey guys.
This week I'm going down to view this 1965 bug that's crying to be back on the road, she has been sat for 27 years since the old 6v motor blew.
She is about 9 miles out of my home town currently and a one owned car from new, and still has all the original documents.
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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Seeing the 65 bug for the first time to check it out, recorded a little video and walk around, sorry for the background noise, its been sat for 24 years local to where i live, and hoping to snap it up as a project, and something worth saving being a 1965.
Check out the video:
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check out all the pictures i took.
https://www.facebook.com/joesdlee/media_set?set=a.10152926346853488.1073741836.512758487&type=1
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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:37 am Post subject: |
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quite a bit to update so here goes, pictures from first viewing.
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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Pickup date yesterday, thanks to some good mates and some great helping hands. so here is a few pics, currently editing a little time-lapse video.
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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: |
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here is the time lapse video as promised
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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:54 am Post subject: |
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here is yesterday's snapps, starting to see the extent of the rust damage to the poor thing.
now for the what the fuck am i doing face.
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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3634 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:15 am Post subject: |
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WOW !! I'm going to be honest, that bug isn't worth throwing a single dime into. Even if it were given to you, you paid too much!
Also, that's NOT a '65, it's a '66. The rims and hubcaps are easy giveaways ( though they could be changed) the next giveaway is the round heater knobs and the chrome on the inside door panels. If your vin number starts with "116", it's a '66. If it starts with "115", it's a '65. I know that a LOT of our VW's got title with the wrong year, mine included. Your bug was likely made after Aug of '65 as title as a '65 even though it's a '66. My '65 was built Aug of '64 and was accidentally titled as a '64 because they used the build date and not the production ( or model ) year. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
"If you do anything to your car someone will hate on you for it. People absolutely love to complain and find fault with others. Don't let it bother you. Just live and have fun."- Lind
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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info keith, i will check the vins as soon as i get home, but i think your right the 116 rings a bell.
You really dont think its worth saving? |
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Keith Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:20 am Post subject: |
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grandmst wrote: |
Thanks for the info keith, i will check the vins as soon as i get home, but i think your right the 116 rings a bell.
You really dont think its worth saving? |
Absolutely not. If it were a split window or a '55 and down oval then maybe, but not a '66. Sorry. You will be better off buying a more expensive and solid bug now because it will actually save you money in the end.
Also, in the U.S. the '66's got the "1300" badge on the deck lid. You look like you're in Europe and I know that they still had a few engine options so not all got that badge.
*edit: I see you have the 1300 badge. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
"If you do anything to your car someone will hate on you for it. People absolutely love to complain and find fault with others. Don't let it bother you. Just live and have fun."- Lind
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grandmst Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:22 am Post subject: |
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dose it make any difference if it was free in the first place
Still think its something i want to slowly restore, i have spare time at weekends, so i think its still a go ahead for me even if i re-shell it!
it dose have the 1300 badge on the decklid, so im assuming your are right , but will double check my vins when i get home. |
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Keith Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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grandmst wrote: |
dose it make any difference if it was free in the first place
Still think its something i want to slowly restore, i have spare time at weekends, so i think its still a go ahead for me even if i re-shell it! |
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to give you a reality check. I've been involved with these cars for 20 years and we all did what you're doing and didn't see the reality or scope of what really needs to be done. You would need a whole new car to fix that car.
A quick obvious list:
Heater channels
Cowl
Floor pans
Roof
Likely a frame head
Front firewall
Front quarters
Rear quarters
Fenders likely
Rear apron
Front apron
Doors or door bottoms
Likely a beam
Napoleons hat
Rear luggage tray
I bet the backbone of the chassis is rotten too so, another chassis.
And LOTS more just to get you to a solid car that now needs MORE money and parts to finish.
Sometimes free is actually too expensive. In the end, you will have dumped a shitload of money into a car that is honestly not worth it. Yes, the split and oval guys are fixing cars that bad but, they are worth it the end. '65 and up cars are still relatively inexpensive and plentiful as far as "early" cars are concerned ( pre '68 ) _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
"If you do anything to your car someone will hate on you for it. People absolutely love to complain and find fault with others. Don't let it bother you. Just live and have fun."- Lind
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Completely understand where you are coming from, and yes it sure does need all them things.
But its something thats going to be a labour of love, and i might need another car to build this one but at the end of the day if another shell is needed thats been sat on someones drive, its two bugs that have bought another one back on the road, that possibly never would be.
and also to be honest do we ever get back what we put into these cars, apart from possibly ovals or split's.
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Keith Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:51 am Post subject: |
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grandmst wrote: |
Completely understand where you are coming from, and yes it sure does need all them things.
But its something thats going to be a labour of love, and i might need another car to build this one but at the end of the day if another shell is needed thats been sat on someones drive, its two bugs that have bought another one back on the road, that possibly never would be.
and also to be honest do we ever get back what we put into these cars, apart from possibly ovals or split's.
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Many people do, they just put their time and money into a desirable car that gives back a greater return.
I don't believe in building a car for the next person, build it for yourself and don't worry about if you are going to make your money back in the end.
The problem is, you're going to dump a LOT of money into a still relatively, undesirable car that can be found in MUCH better condition for far less than the price of all the replacement metal you will need just to get started. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: |
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true true, but a friend of mine has a correct year body on a project thats solid just on a 72 pan, so the plan is to mate his solid body with my correctly stamped pan.
The spline of this pan is still solid and i already have pan halves.
so i think im set up quite nicely to be honest, i understand the whole early bug and yes they are awesome, but i don't personally have the space to keep or maintain a early bug or give it the attention it would warrant.
a pre 67 bug has always been a think i've wanted, which this dose fall under the category of that.
maybe another man's rubbish is another mans treasure, falls into this category |
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Keith Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:12 am Post subject: |
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grandmst wrote: |
true true, but a friend of mine has a correct year body on a project thats solid just on a 72 pan, so the plan is to mate his solid body with my correctly stamped pan.
The spline of this pan is still solid and i already have pan halves.
so i think im set up quite nicely to be honest, i understand the whole early bug and yes they are awesome, but i don't personally have the space to keep or maintain a early bug or give it the attention it would warrant.
a pre 67 bug has always been a think i've wanted, which this dose fall under the category of that.
maybe another man's rubbish is another mans treasure, falls into this category |
Besides the color of the heater levers, IRS rear suspension ( again you're in Europe so he could actually have a swingaxle '72 ) and the vin number, there isn't a difference between the '72 and '66 pan. They are stamped the same and are both balljoint beams.
Why not just take his complete project?
Sounds like you have it figured out though. Best of luck and keep us updated. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
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Q-Dog Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:53 am Post subject: |
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grandmst wrote: |
true true, but a friend of mine has a correct year body on a project thats solid just on a 72 pan, so the plan is to mate his solid body with my correctly stamped pan.
The spline of this pan is still solid and i already have pan halves.
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Well that changes everything, provided all the necessary paperwork is there. _________________ Brian
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Floor pans |
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:43 am Post subject: |
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them today on the way back from bus fest the split I was I set on fire.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Well today's been a fail think I need to buy a blow touch or impact gun to free off these rear hub bolts.
Tried with brute force then went out and bought the longest breaker bar I could find.
That didn't help. Car 1 me 0
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