empi stallion

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: empi stallion

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Looking for some help identifying this little guy. From everything I can find this is a stallion. There are quite a few differences between a sportster and this. Made with aircraft bolts and I have a title that does say empi sportster 1968?

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject:

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Bob Elgin · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:36 pm Post subject:

[b]looks like a EMPI SPORTSTER this link will take you to the main page of Dune Buggy Archives. Then click on the letter E and it will take to you buggy
http://www.dunebuggyarchives.com/decision-tree/leafs/BuggyId/?first=eMAN
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BL3Manx · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject:

Saw this on ebay a while back. Both Stallions on the flyer have a front fender tip that angles down. I haven't noticed that on other Sportsters. Maybe it was something on later models. There's another thread that shows some Sportsters which were sold with a big metal badge on the nose that said Sportster, Land, Sea and Air Inc., Riverside, CA. I'm thinking both the Stallion and the Land Sea and Air Inc.were distribution companies Empi set up or franchised to market the Sportster.

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:33 am Post subject:

Your right. The stallion front fenders do appear to angle down. This has no badges but is rust free and looks to be all aircraft bolts. It dosent appear to have had any changes made to it. Floor pans are solid ect ect. My next question is what is this thing worth?

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:37 am Post subject:

What perplexes me is this has the little top that goes on the roof a heater on the dash and the tow hook up on the front...

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BL3Manx · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:17 am Post subject:

The tow bar and all weather top are listed as optional features.

Why do you believe yours is a "Stallion" and not simply a Sportster? Is it just because you saw that earlier thread with the Stallion flyer? The times I have seen aircraft grade hardware used on a car is usually when an aircraft mechanic "borrows" a bunch of fasteners from the bench stock bins at work. Aircraft hardware wouldn't be called for by the maker unless it was something like a formula race car, NHRA dragster or NASCAR. Does it have a serial number? I think its behind the seats.

A Sportster owner I met at Topaz Lake last week told me the earlier Sportsters had the Lolipop shape folding windshield hinge with knobs and the later ones had hinges like this. The Stallions on the flyer appear to have the later hinge. They also appear to have a more enclosed seat like yours, not just the side rail tube.

didget69 · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: Re: empi stallion

BL3Manx · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:41 am Post subject: Re: empi stallion

didget69 · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:54 am Post subject:

I'm familiar with Aircraft bolts/specs/markings - but I'm just curious as to why someone would screw together a buggy with high-priced hardware.

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For the same silly reason that so many people go so far over the top on the most basic things.

If "some' is good then "more" MUST be better.

BL3Manx · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:24 pm Post subject:

I agree, somebody other than EMPI probably installed them, unless EMPI managed to get a great buy on a load of surplus aircraft hardware, which in the early 60s in Southern California was probably not out of the question.

monomanx · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:20 pm Post subject:

I had never heard of the Stallion before so this is a cool thread.

Was the Stallion manufacturer associated with EMPI at all or were they knocking the sportster off and passing it as their own brand?

BL3Manx · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:53 pm Post subject:

There's an EMPI factory photo that shows a group of Sportsters and I believe one may have a Land, Sea, Air Inc. metal badge. I think both Land, Sea, Air Inc and Stallion were just something EMPI set up to market/distribute the EMPI Sportster.

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:38 am Post subject:

While "Aircraft" bolts may differ in grade or quality are most times referenced because they are cross drilled through the bolt head for the purpose of running small fastening wire from bolt to bolt to ensure one bolt can't back off or back out because it is in a way tethered to the bolt head before and after it. No?

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:43 am Post subject:

Well my intention was to list this buggy on ebay but if we're only looking at the 750-2k mark I will more than likely just spruce it up paint it some ridiculous color add a radio and some creature comforts and sell it locally as a dune buggy.. which is kind of a shame because this thing is solid as they come. It's been sitting in a garage for who knows how long.

BL3Manx · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:01 am Post subject:

Probably the only "blind" fasteners which might require the head of the bolt to be crossdrilled for safety wire are the ones which thread into the VW running gear. Those would all be metric and US aircraft fasteners aren't metric.

Common self locking nuts with fiber inserts could be used on the Sportster body where necessary.

I've seen very nice Sportsters in the midwest sit unsold on the samba for long periods at very low asking prices.

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:10 am Post subject:

well while I can appreciate yalls love of what is a neat little ride its not my cup of tea and dressed up running buggy will sell on craigslist for quite a bit more than it appears this will go for in unmolested condition, so that may indeed be my move. and this buggy does have cross drilled and center drilled "aircraft bolts" throughout the entire car. (can provide a photo if youd like to see) some research and phone calls has yielded some more indepth answers but thanks for everyones input thus far.

who knows I may get a wild hair if it dosent meet the reserve on ebay and she might end up with a sport bike motor lol

MikecornwellMikecornwell · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:14 am Post subject:

and to answer the question why did I think it may be a stallion, the cross drilled aircraft fasterners, shape of the side rails beside the seats, thickness of the floor pans and underbody pans, towbar and electrical light hook up, absence of the sportster oval shaped plate, shape of windshield hinges and the little soft top were all questionable points of reference. that's why I asked. the above pictured sportster has a different hinge shape than mine does.


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