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dtpolk Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2014 Posts: 35
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: Best block (case) degreaser? |
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The title says it. I want something STRONG! People have mentioned to forget engine degreasers and use oven cleaner. True? Of course, I want something that won't hurt he aluminum/magnesium. Not near a shop or I'd tank it.
What are people using here? |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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There isn't ONE.
Solvent for oil/grease
detergent to remove solvent
Soda blast to remove oxide
In theory, caustic soda simply removes....everything, but it removes the metal also. If the gunk is stronger than the case itself the thinking man may conclude it is better to leave it in place
I've seen freshly machined surfaced corroded in a day simply leaving the case within 10 feet of the caustic tank, much less actually putting it in there. Strong sodium hydroxide solution in a heated tank will eat aluminum about an eighth inch per hour. never tried mag, but it would be worse |
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vince1 Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Burgundy, France
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bugguy076 Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2007 Posts: 1068 Location: Dover, PA.
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Use a scraper(s) that won't scratch the surfaces. Get the heavy stuff off first. A degreaser will remove a lot, but don't expect it to do a good job without elbow grease. Use a spray degreaser, along with scrubbing and rinsing. Then scrub the case with Dawn dish washing detergent mixed in a bucket of water and scrub brush, tooth brush, ect. After that, compressed air to blow all of the water out and dry the case. |
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MacLeod Willy Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2014 Posts: 933 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:47 am Post subject: Degreaser |
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I went through the whole degrease alley at the store and found the GUNK Gel worked just about the best. Its thick and stays on longer.
If its really bad, you may want to invest in enough carb cleaner to immerse it totally.
You can read my nightmare of cleaning my T4
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7192937&highlight=#7192937 |
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TinCanFab Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 2743 Location: Waterford, California
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56vwoval Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2010 Posts: 186 Location: nowhere USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:21 am Post subject: degreaser |
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I use oven cleaner, then off to the car wash. Oh by the way, elbow grease works best!! _________________ Remember guys and girls, you can be right or you can be happy with your significant other! You decide which is right at that time! |
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theastronaut Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2007 Posts: 1631 Location: Anderson, SC
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Wax and grease remover for autobody prep will liquify grease and oil. Cheap oven cleaner from Dollar General works good for the heavier stuff. Don't get the odor-free version. _________________ Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exist and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough."
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jfats808 Samba Member
Joined: December 10, 2007 Posts: 5022 Location: oahu hawaii
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I tried out gunk engine degreaser on the current engine im doing. I was impressed. It was on sale and I bought 4 cans. Turns out one was enough. Shot down with water, simple greened, repeat rinse and then dry. Had to acrape the heavy soot, but that comes with the territory. _________________ 2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
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You can always learn something new, even from a fool.
Check your oil levels routinely! |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:19 am Post subject: |
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GUNK Floamy Engine Degreaser, pressure wash, then Simple Green and pressure wash (U-Squirt car wash + rain gear) ...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
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dtpolk Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2014 Posts: 35
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I certainly expected the elbow grease. I've cleaned many engines in the past, using most of the auto parts house cleaners without much success. I was just wondering if anything new and better had come out.
Anothe4 guy told me to try Mineral Spirits (as found in paint stores). I've never tried that. Has anyone here? Thanks!
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jfats808 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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No matter what u use that works for u, I forgot to mention. Always use a coating like wd 40 or wipe down light oil on the case surface and follow up with wiping it with a rag. It will prevent the case from starting to oxidize, at least for a little. Thats what I finish up with. _________________ 2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
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You can always learn something new, even from a fool.
Check your oil levels routinely! |
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Dauz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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I use CRC Brakeleen to clean just about everything. |
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Kiptere Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2013 Posts: 419 Location: Houston
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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About 5 cans of oven cleaner. Keep it up until the rinse runs clean. _________________ 62 Bug
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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dtpolk wrote: |
Well, I certainly expected the elbow grease. I've cleaned many engines in the past, using most of the auto parts house cleaners without much success. I was just wondering if anything new and better had come out.
Anothe4 guy told me to try Mineral Spirits (as found in paint stores). I've never tried that. Has anyone here? Thanks! |
Mineral spirits is basically paint thinner... Its used in a lot of parts washers.... If you use mineral spirits use rubber/nitridl gloves as MS in very drying on hands and will cause serious skin damage from dryness....
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Mineral spirits and cleaning solvent are very similar.
Not sure if there is a difference, other than maybe safety.
"Safety solvent" is required to have a high flash point to prevent fire. The hillbilly way is to use gasoline or kerosene um, in a "well ventilated area", or better yet, in another country far away.
For awhile I became sensitized to solvent so I used wd-40 instead. twice the price but no fumes at all. |
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Typically I run diesel in a parts washer and a fewbrushes and scrapers to get the annoying bits of crud off after blasting with a pressure cleaner. The diesel leaves a protective film on the mag to prevent corrosion till its time for final assembly when it gets done with solvent _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Oven cleaner and a high pressure hose like those found at a coin operated car wash. Done correctly and observing all safety precautions it is thorough, economical and safe . I have used this method for more than 30 years .
For very dirty engines I would first use a parts washer and safety clean or crystal clean fluid both are proprietary fluids and next step down would be mineral spirits. In the absence of a parts washer you can use a large wash tub or a reinforced cardboard box lined with several trash bags, it works well for soaking parts too.
Back to the engine cleaner use safety glasses, gloves and wear old clothes .
Apply the cleaner and let soak no longer than 10 minutes. The oven cleaner is also strong enough to remove paint so be advised. The environmentally correct way to clean cases is to find a machine shop that uses a self contained hot water wash tank using high pressure,soap,and a turn table to rotate the part while its being cleaned. If your conscience bothers you and or EPA regs prevent you from doing it yourself this is it. Good luck. |
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Busdriver79 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2011 Posts: 1655 Location: The Peoples' Republic of "No" Jersey
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Go to Home Depot or similar store and get a gallon of ANY purple colored degreaser...the purple is the strongest by far...do not dilute it...go full strength here....I put pistons straight from the engine into a bucket of this stuff...24 hrs. later, I rinsed with a high pressure garden hose...they looked like brand new castings....I put all the greasy, oily nuts, bolts, and washers along with the pushrods and rocker arms into this stuff...soaked for 24 hrs. and everything was like new...it costs about $12 per gallon....money well spent. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:53 am Post subject: |
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The oven cleaner is about three dollars per can you will need two |
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