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ClipperBuggy Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2014 Posts: 41 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: Pushrod Head removal need engine removal on Buggy? |
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I have my 66' 1300 engine mounted in a California Clipper buggy
As you can see, the engine is pretty well exposed.
I need to replace the pushrod tubes. Cylinder 1 has a pretty decent leak, and they are all rusted across the board.
can I pull the tin and head without removing anything but the tin and head? while still mounted?
or do I need to remove more than just that and remove form the trans all together and put on a bench?
any help appreciated. |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13842 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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If it were my car my engine as simple as it is to remove. Disassemble to a long block and just source the good spring loaded push rod tube. Do it right once. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
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HRVW Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2011 Posts: 2531 Location: Rosarito, Mexico
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Buy a set ( of the spring loaded push tubes and ( extra seals.
Remove the valve cover then the rocker arm and then remove the push rods and then with a pair of pliers the old push tubes.
Clean the holes real well in the case and in the head using Acetone.
The extra seal will go against the flat washer to the spring as an added seal.
Compress and place the female end into the engine and the other end into the head. Reason for this is the oil flow is towards the engine when draining.
Re assemble and adjust the valves.
(VW mechanic) |
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ClipperBuggy Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2014 Posts: 41 Location: Connecticut
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31266 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:45 am Post subject: |
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You're going to need to remove the engine to remove the fan shroud to remove/loosen cylinder head to replace tubes with traditional pushrod tubes. If removing the engine on that buggy appears daunting, you have the wrong vehicle !!!
Your only other alternative would be band-aid fix of replacing one or more of the tubes with the spring-adjustable tubes; if you do this, get best ones available !!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Nevada Notch Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 540 Location: Carson City Nevada
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:46 am Post subject: |
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You will have to completely remove the exhaust and you are also going to run into the problem of the fan shroud removal. The fan shroud has to be lifted up and over the oil cooler and with the engine in place the shroud can't be lifted high enough.
I would suggest completely removing the engine to work on it. With the buggy setup, pulling the engine is one of the easiest engine pulls you will ever do. Hell you don't even have to jack the rear of the car off the ground! _________________ 1966 Euro
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HRVW Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2011 Posts: 2531 Location: Rosarito, Mexico
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:53 am Post subject: |
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I typed in ( that did NOT show up but the smily face.
The 8 piece set will stay with you for years ahead if needed.
They are supposed to come with 16 seals but what I did was a 3rd seal in the middle of the tube next to the metal washer and the spring...kept any oil from leaking there.......word of advice from a VW mechanic.
Who would you listen to if there was a medical problem.......
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A 1st yr medical student or a MD with 20-30 yrs of medical background?
Answer is the 1st yr medical student WHY? ...because he is about your age. |
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wythac Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2004 Posts: 2791
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:26 am Post subject: |
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I'll add to the dogpile:
The fact that you are asking this question indicates you don't have ACVW experience....that's OK....I don't have a lot of Subaru or Buick experience...you know what you drive/own.
So what do you do? You use this minor repair as an opportunity to gain the experience you lack, without getting in over your head.
Pull the motor. When it is sitting on the floor an hour after you started you be saying to yourself, "THATS IT?" The repair you are trying to accomplish is minimally invasive and will give you a chance to demystify the process. It will also give you a chance to inspect and possibly replace your clutch disc, throwout bearing, rear main seal and oil cooler seals, worth the time and expense "while you are there".
Good luck with your repairs on your buggy. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15278 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:00 am Post subject: |
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The JayCee spring loaded push rod tubes are the best you can get and do not leak when installed correctly. Order them from CB and they come complete with all necessary seals and several colors to choose from.
http://www.cbperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=237 _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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wythac Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:08 am Post subject: |
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I need to put a few of those in my off road toolbox. Good to have a testimonial from someone who has used them, I've heard some leak more than the damaged pushrod tube you are trying to replace. |
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ClipperBuggy Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2014 Posts: 41 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Appreciate the comments everyone.
I am going to pull the motor and do it right.
bought it to learn from, time to learn. |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5445 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
The JayCee spring loaded push rod tubes are the best you can get and do not leak when installed correctly. Order them from CB and they come complete with all necessary seals and several colors to choose from.
http://www.cbperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=237 |
Why do the instructions say to install them with the springs toward the case? It would seem to make more sense that the smaller tube is toward the head so oil naturally drains away from the seal between the inner and outer tube. _________________
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8687 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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EVfun wrote: |
vwracerdave wrote: |
The JayCee spring loaded push rod tubes are the best you can get and do not leak when installed correctly. Order them from CB and they come complete with all necessary seals and several colors to choose from.
http://www.cbperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=237 |
Why do the instructions say to install them with the springs toward the case? It would seem to make more sense that the smaller tube is toward the head so oil naturally drains away from the seal between the inner and outer tube. |
The bigger opening needs to go towards the head or the push rods may rub the tubes. _________________ Brian
'69 Dune Buggy
'69 Beetle Convertible
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5445 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Q-Dog wrote: |
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The bigger opening needs to go towards the head or the push rods may rub the tubes. |
Is that pretty much a given, or something only likely with more cam than stock? _________________
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Q-Dog Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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EVfun wrote: |
Q-Dog wrote: |
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The bigger opening needs to go towards the head or the push rods may rub the tubes. |
Is that pretty much a given, or something only likely with more cam than stock? |
Depends on your lifters. _________________ Brian
'69 Dune Buggy
'69 Beetle Convertible
'70 Beetle |
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