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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:42 am Post subject: Old Stamped Lower Control Arms vs. Later Forged |
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I have an opportunity to swap over a complete '86 forged lower control arm setup to an '84 that currently has the earlier stamped ones. I was thinking about the spindles/uprights alone being suitable for a future Big Brake Kit, but I was wondering if I shouldn't just swap it all over. Thoughts? |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:47 am Post subject: |
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yes swap it all over, but replace all the bushings first, and the ball joints.
you'll feel like you are driving a new van _________________ lucy our westy
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uberaudi Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2013 Posts: 502 Location: Hi-top Country
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Sway bar too? |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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uberaudi wrote: |
Sway bar too? |
Are you asking me or rubbachicken? |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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rubbachicken wrote: |
yes swap it all over, but replace all the bushings first, and the ball joints.
you'll feel like you are driving a new van |
Thanks! I was afraid of that.
I actually haven't driven it yet (dead Wasserboxer - Subaru swap in progress), but I have already reworked the entire front suspension with lift springs, all new brakes, cleaned, repainted, etc.
Then this '86 popped up. Been sliding back and forth on my creeper stealing from one and giving it to the other. Working a power steering upgrade while I'm at it. |
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uberaudi Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2013 Posts: 502 Location: Hi-top Country
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Forthwithtx wrote: |
uberaudi wrote: |
Sway bar too? |
Are you asking me or rubbachicken? |
No one in particular, just anyone who knows the answer |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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yes swap the whole lot over, sway bar the lot.
i'd even go as far as changing the steering rack bushings, the white line ones from T3 technique, and look at the rubber doughnuts on the steering linkage.
you'll be amazed at some of the things i've seen under peoples vans, and they think all is good under there.
then after it's all been changed out they are shocked as to how well they drive, after thinking there was nothing wrong with the van. _________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni'
markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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vers13 Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2011 Posts: 55 Location: HI
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Also, make sure to go with MOOG or Lemfoerder brand LOWER ball joints. T3Technique carries the MOOG's. Slightly more money than Febi or the like but worth it. |
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16CVs Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4024 Location: Redwood City, California
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of the steering coupler ,what is the secret to replacing it ? I have one but it looks riveted together,any insight ?
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cvbill Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2007 Posts: 208 Location: Carmel Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:12 am Post subject: |
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What advantage does the cast LCA have over the stamped one? |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:38 am Post subject: |
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cvbill wrote: |
What advantage does the cast LCA have over the stamped one? |
Wondering that myself. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:58 am Post subject: |
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When talking differences between the stamped and cast Syncro LCAs, I prefer the feel of the cast units.
The geometry is different and you can not easily lift the late Syncros with cast parts.
The stamped versions and Burley's aftermarket arms allow for 2"+ lifting if you are so inclined.
I enjoy a 1" lift and cast lower arms on most of my Syncros.
Absolutely none of the issues reported often by others trying for more of a lift.
I also have plenty of the late cast 2wd arms saved with the spindles and late brakes.
A great conversion that will bring an early van up too speed and allow for Big Brake kits and power steering. |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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insyncro wrote: |
When talking differences between the stamped and cast Syncro LCAs, I prefer the feel of the cast units.
The geometry is different and you can not easily lift the late Syncros with cast parts.
The stamped versions and Burley's aftermarket arms allow for 2"+ lifting if you are so inclined.
I enjoy a 1" lift and cast lower arms on most of my Syncros.
Absolutely none of the issues reported often by others trying for more of a lift.
I also have plenty of the late cast 2wd arms saved with the spindles and late brakes.
A great conversion that will bring an early van up too speed and allow for Big Brake kits and power steering. |
Good info. I do, in fact, have 2" GW lift springs over the stamped LCA's. I was considering bringing over just the '86 spindles to enable the big brake options, but I think, for now, I will just retain the parts and make a future decision... |
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