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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow..thats cool.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: D Reply with quote

No front and weird rear jank points?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:30 am    Post subject: Jack points Reply with quote

from p2

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it looks like D has only one rear jack point? visible in some of the other photos, all the rest have two incl the one on the trailer [J] with the round jack points


Jack point design looks to be a good clue to identifying the first couple of prototypes.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Jack points Reply with quote

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from p2

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it looks like D has only one rear jack point? visible in some of the other photos, all the rest have two incl the one on the trailer [J] with the round jack points


Jack point design looks to be a good clue to identifying the first couple of prototypes.


they probably did not realize till later on that you might need a front jackpoint in case the cargo area is full. On an empty bus front jackpoints are useless
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, not one Prototype, but curiously the front emblem screwed from outside and the finger pull on the sliding glass - with butterfly latch - are visible

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so it seams the very early ones had some prototype units still using.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the "vent window latch knob"

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Could be the lower one knob?

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from topic "Are they Split Window Pop out latches?" : http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2294868
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but my contribution is merely an observational one again but I don't think this has been raised.

So it looks like on the front doors the rear window slid forward and had a finger recess in the glass at the front and rear to pull push the glass and the front window is the fixed one. Also the seal was on the outer window and not the inner window to allow it to slide..Its open on these two pictures although neither bus in the top pic looks to have the seal installed at all.

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and while you can see the seal bar clearly on the one above, it being on the outer window is very clear to see on this one
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looks like this early production prototype bus then had a mixture of both or maybe the rear window stolen form an earlier model with the recess. Note the sealing bar has been swapped to the rear inner glass the same as the production models of "now".

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Fantastic pictures, especially the "new" ones that are surfacing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About the "vent window latch knob"

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Could be the lower one knob?

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from topic "Are they Split Window Pop out latches?" : http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2294868


i guess they would more with fine ribbs, like the later ones, but with just a smaler hat. i also think they where made form aluminium. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

52panelvan wrote:

looks like this early production prototype bus then had a mixture of both or maybe the rear window stolen form an earlier model with the recess. Note the sealing bar has been swapped to the rear inner glass the same as the production models of "now".

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Fantastic pictures, especially the "new" ones that are surfacing


but the "recess" is on the outer window. so i guess this is the very early production line bus. later on they checked, the recess is not nessesary..
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What kind of latch is this?

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Not the same as the very early model

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for me they look like later ones. like you can see here, there is also a knob above.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i also like the window surrounding. it seams they used the screwed version on the cargo and inside the bus. nice..
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do we have already this one?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Capriacci wrote:
What kind of latch is this?

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Not the same as the very early model

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for me they look like later ones. like you can see here, there is also a knob above.
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so it could be a split popout latch??
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the knob looks the same to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:58 pm    Post subject: A Reply with quote

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do we have already this one?
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A new picture but yes, that's Prototype A from p1

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Left, Prototype 'A' (a Kombi - signwritten 'Klein-Bus'/Small Bus - single colour - white - chrome trim)

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What is the word after 'Der'?
This bus A looks like the Kombi version of the Panel Van G.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: A Reply with quote

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What is the word after 'Der'?
This bus looks like the Kombi version of the Panel Van G.


Der neue VW Lieferwagen

the new VW delivery (van)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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panel vans have the headlight rings painted second body color !
the bus has chrome rings
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:28 pm    Post subject: F/F1 Reply with quote

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Assuming this is a Prototype pic, lets add it to the one Standard we know of (F/F1)
Some previous pics from p1/p3/p4:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

obviously an artists rendering, but prototypes depicted

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OOps...do you recognize anyone in the reflection? Confused

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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obviously an artists rendering, but prototypes depicted

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Yes
A couple of versions can be seen near the top here - French & Flemish
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/type2.php

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