New hoses.... No clamps

Miaghia · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: New hoses.... No clamps

No clamps required according to a 65 year old 45 year Vw experience expert. He says correct size cloth wrapped hoses require no clamps. He said put them on and then try to get them off the next day. He is correct... Cannot even get them off to put a clamp on!!!

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-Zodiac- · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject:

Yepp no clamps,and where did you get your hoses?
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Miaghia · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject: hoses

Bell metric for the large auto stick grunt valve hoses. Ebay for the green cloth. The old german dude (no clamps) for the 3.5 and 5mm vacuum and fuel

anthracitedub · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:28 pm Post subject:

I've found that they do stay on quite well. I do recommend checking the condition of the hoses often.

-Zodiac- · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:31 pm Post subject:

the braid works like Chinese finger traps, I'm missing afew and need to order some
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Eric&Barb · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:30 pm Post subject:

VW in the 1970s put out a bulletin that told VW mechanics to install clamps on hose between fuel pump and carb. That part of the fuel line is under pressure and will loosen the chinese finger cuff action of the fuel line.
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akear · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject:

I run braided with FI type clamps. Why tempt fate?

NOVA Airhead · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:12 am Post subject:

I use clamps on all my fuel line connections. I do not use the worm drive clamps but these:

http://www.karmannghia.com/viewDetail.asp?strMasterCat=&idproduct=8410

They are cheap protection.
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cseay1 · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:21 am Post subject:

I would rather be overkill and do this rather than watch my car burn to the ground on the side of the road

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-Zodiac- · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:25 am Post subject:

I agree, you should put clamps on the fuel line. And if you can't get the hoses off than you can unscrew the clamp and then put it on the hose to tighten it.
And speaking of side of the road - you can use a dime to loosen and tighten the clamps, some people don't know this Idea

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thruhiker74 · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:49 am Post subject:

Funny. I noticed on my recently purchased '62 the lack of clamps on the braided cloth-sleeved lines for the fuel just this past weekend. Couldn't get the lines to move at all, but still plan to get clamps and tighten them down.

Miaghia · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: safety wire...

So, the clamp holds the hose to the fitting... and the safety wire holds the fitting into the carb. I get that.

I have also seen where folks safety wire the hose clamps where the hose is clamped to a metal line... WTF? Have we lost all confidence in clamps holding hoses onto pipes?

And, to take it a step farther, I have seen safety wire applied under a nut/bolt going the wrong direction! So, paranoid that the clamp won't hold the hose on but add safety wire in an orientation such that it loosens the hose clamp!

I plan to follow advice here and add (2) hose clamps only on the line from pump to carb that is carrying 3 PSI. And, maybe (1) safety wire to hold that brass fitting into the carb.

Good discussion guys

John Moxon · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:57 am Post subject:

mlhsquared · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:00 am Post subject:

Here's what I did instead of the safety wire. I very carefully drilled and tapped the fuel inlet and installed a barbed fitting. There are good instructions on here somewhere. If I find them, I'll post the link.
I also installed hose clamps on either end of the fuel line.

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NOVA Airhead · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:01 am Post subject:

You can also tap where the pipe goes into the carb and use a threaded fitting with barbed end. This was done on my last carb rebuild.

That eliminates the need for the wire on the clamp.
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mlhsquared · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:02 am Post subject:

c21darrel · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:59 pm Post subject:

danny gabbard · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject:

I started to safety wire also ! I had a stock brass tube come out one time , Lucky my 67 did not catch fire.
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retrowagen · Samba Member Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 1856

Sometimes, the brass inlet tube pops out of the non-German Solexes... Clamps or no clamps! Definitely check yours out often, before it's too late
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danny gabbard · Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:00 pm Post subject:

Whats nice about safety wire is it keeps the brass tube in carb.
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