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Miaghia Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2013 Posts: 56 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: New hoses.... No clamps |
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No clamps required according to a 65 year old 45 year Vw experience expert. He says correct size cloth wrapped hoses require no clamps. He said put them on and then try to get them off the next day. He is correct... Cannot even get them off to put a clamp on!!!
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yepp no clamps,and where did you get your hoses? _________________ 1973 karmann ghia - current, not the last VW.
1947 Chevy stylemaster - gone, but not forgotten.
1995 Ford F-150 - gone, hatred for it lives. |
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Miaghia Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2013 Posts: 56 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject: hoses |
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Bell metric for the large auto stick grunt valve hoses. Ebay for the green cloth. The old german dude (no clamps) for the 3.5 and 5mm vacuum and fuel |
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anthracitedub Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2007 Posts: 3241 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've found that they do stay on quite well. I do recommend checking the condition of the hoses often. |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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the braid works like Chinese finger traps, I'm missing afew and need to order some _________________ 1973 karmann ghia - current, not the last VW.
1947 Chevy stylemaster - gone, but not forgotten.
1995 Ford F-150 - gone, hatred for it lives. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24764 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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VW in the 1970s put out a bulletin that told VW mechanics to install clamps on hose between fuel pump and carb. That part of the fuel line is under pressure and will loosen the chinese finger cuff action of the fuel line. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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akear Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2013 Posts: 359 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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I run braided with FI type clamps. Why tempt fate? |
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NOVA Airhead Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2005 Posts: 5221 Location: Richmond, VA
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cseay1 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 1341 Location: Elkwood VA
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: |
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I agree, you should put clamps on the fuel line. And if you can't get the hoses off than you can unscrew the clamp and then put it on the hose to tighten it.
And speaking of side of the road - you can use a dime to loosen and tighten the clamps, some people don't know this _________________ 1973 karmann ghia - current, not the last VW.
1947 Chevy stylemaster - gone, but not forgotten.
1995 Ford F-150 - gone, hatred for it lives. |
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thruhiker74 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2014 Posts: 118 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Funny. I noticed on my recently purchased '62 the lack of clamps on the braided cloth-sleeved lines for the fuel just this past weekend. Couldn't get the lines to move at all, but still plan to get clamps and tighten them down. |
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Miaghia Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2013 Posts: 56 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: safety wire... |
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So, the clamp holds the hose to the fitting... and the safety wire holds the fitting into the carb. I get that.
I have also seen where folks safety wire the hose clamps where the hose is clamped to a metal line... WTF? Have we lost all confidence in clamps holding hoses onto pipes?
And, to take it a step farther, I have seen safety wire applied under a nut/bolt going the wrong direction! So, paranoid that the clamp won't hold the hose on but add safety wire in an orientation such that it loosens the hose clamp!
I plan to follow advice here and add (2) hose clamps only on the line from pump to carb that is carrying 3 PSI. And, maybe (1) safety wire to hold that brass fitting into the carb.
Good discussion guys |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13957 Location: Southampton U.K.
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mlhsquared Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2008 Posts: 1482 Location: Strasburg, VA
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Here's what I did instead of the safety wire. I very carefully drilled and tapped the fuel inlet and installed a barbed fitting. There are good instructions on here somewhere. If I find them, I'll post the link.
I also installed hose clamps on either end of the fuel line.
_________________ Mike
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NOVA Airhead Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2005 Posts: 5221 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:01 am Post subject: |
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You can also tap where the pipe goes into the carb and use a threaded fitting with barbed end. This was done on my last carb rebuild.
That eliminates the need for the wire on the clamp. _________________ Ghia Owner Emeritus |
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mlhsquared Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2008 Posts: 1482 Location: Strasburg, VA
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:02 am Post subject: |
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NOVA Airhead wrote: |
You can also tap where the pipe goes into the carb and use a threaded fitting with barbed end. This was done on my last carb rebuild.
That eliminates the need for the wire on the clamp. |
Beat ya to it, Mike.
It's worth adding that Tim at http://volkzbitz.com/ will do this to any carb that he works on or sells for a small additional fee. _________________ Mike
'67 Ghia Coupe |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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danny gabbard Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2008 Posts: 588 Location: carson city. Nevada
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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I started to safety wire also ! I had a stock brass tube come out one time , Lucky my 67 did not catch fire. _________________ Shipping is NOT included in any of my products or parts. Just want to say thanks from GAB-FAB for any purchase!! |
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retrowagen Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 1856
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes, the brass inlet tube pops out of the non-German Solexes... Clamps or no clamps! Definitely check yours out often, before it's too late _________________ David Ruby
President, Karmann-Ghia World Club |
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danny gabbard Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2008 Posts: 588 Location: carson city. Nevada
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Whats nice about safety wire is it keeps the brass tube in carb. _________________ Shipping is NOT included in any of my products or parts. Just want to say thanks from GAB-FAB for any purchase!! |
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