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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject: Campers with cooktop and icebox Reply with quote

what year did they start putting in the cook top and ice box???
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's "they"?, there's many different camper manufacturers.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

excuse me if i'm not being clear.........how about what year did cook tops and ice boxes start appearing in campers
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1952 chassis #20-13280 was fitted by Dresden Karroserie with stuff like that but the stove had to be pulled out of a cupboard.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:45 pm    Post subject: Info Reply with quote

Most likely, BarryL nailed this one down.

If you mean, by appearing, standard fixed furniture in the bus, then that might be a bay window bus - 1968 or later.

I know a whole lot about nothing and I am bored, so I went ahead and put these links together to help you get the picture.

Here is some information that you can read on the topic of campers. It looks like early in the vw camper scene there were optional stoves available.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99345

And in that thread, this link:

http://www.type2.com/library/camper/westyin1.htm

The only campers that I have seen that have a built in icebox and stove are the bay window buses, where the propane tank/hookups are built in to the bus.

Here is a wiki on vw campers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Westfalia_Campers

Here is something (interesting) on vintage stoves and buses:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=430540
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^thanks a lot....this gives me something to chew on Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject: more info... Reply with quote

Here is a link to the August 1973 owners manual that has the icebox/stove combo in one piece of furniture.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/aug73westy/page19.jpg

All of the owners manuals are here: ( I browsed the camper manuals)

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/type2.php
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the 1974 model was the first year a Westfalia was sold in North America with a built in stove, SO-44's (and likely other models as well as OTW manufacturers) had them in the 60's but they were only for the European market. Iceboxes started in the 50's.

But since you don't want to specify a brand it's very likely some of the first barndoors converted to campers by crafty DIY owners had built in appliances as well. Or if you mean camper in general and not a VW bus camper then I'd guess ~100 years ago when people first started converting early motor vehicles Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were stoves in some models of early campingboxes (50's) and a propane fridge for the 1958 models. This is a really open ended question that likely needs some context to be answered appropriately.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had no idea that this question would have so many layers Shocked i just wanted to put together a kick ass split window camper.....that was for the most part time era correct (with the exception of color and upgrades to make it practical for daily driving)....and that had all of the bells and whistles
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just carry a coleman stove and a nice (vintage if you like) cooler, cooking in a bus will just stink it up.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just carry a coleman stove and a nice (vintage if you like) cooler, cooking in a bus will just stink it up.


now that's one hell of a point that i didn't take into account Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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stuco wrote:
Just carry a coleman stove and a nice (vintage if you like) cooler, cooking in a bus will just stink it up.


now that's one hell of a point that i didn't take into account Wink


A lot of bay window bus drivers who have the stoves don't use them for this very reason (along with the fear of leaky propane tanks) other than to make tea, boil water, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The earlier campers with the door shelf for the portable gas stove always seemed to be the most useable, to me, for that reason.

If the inside of my bus is smokey, I want it to be GOOD smokey.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stuco wrote:
Just carry a coleman stove and a nice (vintage if you like) cooler, cooking in a bus will just stink it up.


The SO-34s & 35s that came out in 1961 had a standard ice box or optional propane fridge. You bought a camping stove for the back cabinet, and cooked either inside or outside.

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Our 1960 walk thru panel camper conversion has a table on the rear cargo door that works well with a Coleman stove in similar fashion.

As pointed out before, go thru the owners manuals on this website. Also check out sales brochures in the archives here. Search the bus forums for campers, moist of all get out to your local VW meets and visit around.
If you are going to make a custom camper interior, you need to do the research so you end up with something you not only really like, but can use. The more you dedicate the interior to a camper, the more you can not use the interior for hauling stuff. We have a Coleman upright cooler that works well for us and pulls out in a jiffy so we have just that much more room inside to have the floor space as needed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

X3 or whatever on the cooking inside being not as great as expected or advertised, built in stoves were a great way for the salesmen to convince the housewife of the day that it was equipped for all her homemaking duties even on the road, but in reality a portable propane stove is far more useful (in the bus or better yet out on the picnic table). Same with the portable cooler, just ensure there's a way to fasten them down when travelling as in the event of a rollover or collision you don't want extra boulders in the washing machine with you Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We just travelled across the country cooking only on the inside factory stove of our late 70s westy. I will be bringing one of the coleman stoves from now as cooking outside is much preferred. The inside cooking option is most beneficial though on a rainy morning when you just wanna shake the fog off and stay warm in the bus with a cup of tea or coffee.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Info Reply with quote

Sh*tBird wrote:
Most likely, BarryL nailed this one down.


Fwiw that fact is from "VW Camper-The Inside Story" by David Eccles. I was just repeating it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We just travelled across the country cooking only on the inside factory stove of our late 70s westy. I will be bringing one of the coleman stoves from now as cooking outside is much preferred. The inside cooking option is most beneficial though on a rainy morning when you just wanna shake the fog off and stay warm in the bus with a cup of tea or coffee.

Agreed, it's nice to keep the bacon funk and splatters outside for the bears and coons to lick up, I usually bring the propane Coleman along even if there's a built in stove already, no pumping and you can use it inside without having to shovel off all the crap on the built in stovetop to make coffee on a rainy cold morning. Often I even bring the single burner hiking stove along as a night with the kids along results in sh*t spread out all over every flat surface inside and I'm not in the cleanup mood when I haven't had coffee Razz

Built in stoves are nice, but not any better than the mobile ones and the space is sometimes useful for other things.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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