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geodude Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2012 Posts: 372 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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1.9 Waterpump is definitely one of my least favorite replacements.
I had a Syncro and taking off the front CV axles and replacing the joints has to be up there. I don't know if it was the DPO or by design, but the outer joints would not come out of the hubs. Ended up taking a rather large hammer and just bashing the end of the stupid thing until it finally came free. Took several hours of swearing before it finally let go. _________________ 1988 GL Camper
1991 Multivan — the basket case |
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0cean Samba Member
Joined: February 29, 2012 Posts: 1149 Location: California
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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I can't think of anything. |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'd have to say, ( and not because it's a knuckle buster but a big PITA job) anything that's forward of the two front seats.
Need a new wiper motor?
Pull the dash.
Need to work on or replace the wiper trans gear?
Pull the dash.
Need a heater motor?
Pull the dash.
Need a heater core?
Pull the dash.
Need windshield washer hoses?
Pull the dash.
I know there's guys that claim to have done the job in 2 hours flat.
Maybe pull the dash and put it back in without doing anything under it--maybe.
I enjoy working on older vehicle's, and trucks that everything is right out in front of me.
Not a trip into Wonderland to just have the opportunity to be able to get to --lets say, the wiper motor--
Time consuming, and might as well make a weekend out of the job--do everything all at once, get done with it all --
Big Pain-- _________________ T.K. |
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tschroeder0 Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2008 Posts: 2096 Location: Boulder CO
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Replacing the stock tent with the usual ill fitting replacements, just horrible |
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RainierSyncro Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2013 Posts: 806 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Syncro gas tank removal/install? |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10371 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:44 am Post subject: |
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on the older style front suspension: grinding, hacking down snapped bolt ends on lower ball joint adaptor to free it from lower control arm to allow removal of leftover bit of bolt(s) from adaptor. (I never actually got the second step done! Spare parts to the rescue!)
A press would've been useful here! (or an oxy acetylene torch from the outset)
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
VE7TBN |
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Alaric.H Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2009 Posts: 2529 Location: Sandy Springs GA
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:21 am Post subject: |
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New front metal brake lines on a syncro at the junction can be a pain. Coolant lines can take some time. Oh hell most everything is a bitch on these things. |
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Robw_z Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2007 Posts: 983
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Most jobs when you break a stud or fastener... become a whole new ball game. A great luxury tool would be a time machine so you could go back in time before you broke the fastener and have another go more delicately.
That said, I was very surprised how long the 2.1 water pump job took me. Like 5 days but that wasn't working full time each day. I thought it would take a weekend. I made the job more masochistic by replacing the small coolant hose that connects the two pipes bringing in flow from the passenger side cyl head, goes behind the crank pulley. Trying to get a pliers on those self tightening hose clamps deep behind enemy lines... Agh.
Doing the 2.1 head gaskets also was a pain but at least I expected it in that instance.
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VwDubber Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2012 Posts: 144
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: |
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The 2.1 Water Pump is a piece of Cake Compared to the Fright Fest of doing a 1.9 Water Pump.. Two different animals and like others have stated the 1.9 is a battle every step of the way..
On the 2.1 your only dealing with the Pump.
Whereas with the 1.9 it has the Thermostat Housing incorporated as part of the waterpump assembly. It's like 4 pieces that assemble and become the water pump assembly. Bolts are a 80% chance to snapping off even when heated or soaked in penetrating oils.. Then comes the recovery / machining to recover the broken bolts and to be able to use the assembly again. Thus why there's very few if any 1.9 Thermostat housing forsale on Samba. There like Hens teeth.
A Real P.I.T.A for sure.. |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I think it is all a matter of attitude (whether or not you are currently enjoying yourself) and expectation (whether or not you think it should be easier than it is).
[insanity]If you are currently not enjoying yourself and you think the job is harder than it should be then it is a PITA.[/insanity]
If you are enjoying yourself and see the job as a task that has to be performed that requires a reasonable amount of time and effort then every job is fun.
The often misunderstood fact is that everyone has control over their attitude and their expectations. If it is a PITA, you make it so in your own mind. If it is fun, you make it so in your own mind.
As I mentioned in the opposite thread, one of my favorite tools for adjusting both my attitude and expectations when working on a vehicle is entertainment. I place an audiobook on my ipod and press play. From that point on, the job could take 10 times as long as it 'should' and I don't really care. Often I get done with the audiobook and find it amazing how much my 'other self' accomplished while I was enjoying a good book. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Thickster gloves really help keep the abrasions to a minimum, for those knuckle busters out there.
http://www.sassafety.com/
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t3 kopf Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2012 Posts: 1115 Location: over by 'der
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:35 am Post subject: |
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VwDubber wrote: |
Thus why there's very few if any 1.9 Thermostat housing forsale on Samba. There like Hens teeth.
A Real P.I.T.A for sure.. |
i just cleaned up a spare one and replaced the broken off bolts with m6 studs from a honda water pump hardware kit. painted it a nice gloss black. guess i better hang on to that. _________________ '90 Carat w/ '95 phase 1 EJ22 OBD2 conversion |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Having to use a Sawzall on three of the six Syncro LCA pivot bolts is annoying _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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RainierSyncro wrote: |
Syncro gas tank removal/install? |
I'm right in the middle of that one. It seems really wedged in there, and I'm kinda leery of prying/pulling too hard, lest I break some unobtainium piece comprised of Austrian gnome jizz and platinum putzenheimer glue _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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correcting misalignment of the locker mechanism, when someone has installed the pushrod with the offset hole in it 180° off, without taking out the trans.
i've had to do it twice now, the second was a great deal less of a PITA. _________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni'
markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
619 201 0310 or 617 935 4182 |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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On my last 2.1 wpump I tried replacing studs with bolts, left one stud in 4 some reason I dont remember, dont own any 1.9 now either., probably never again. |
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Syncroincity Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2007 Posts: 1557 Location: New York City
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Hm, my 2.1 WBX water pump took me a long afternoon, but I have lots of wobble extensions, u-joints and a good set of hex drives... My dad's a TV repairman, he's got an awesome set of tools.
Syncro tank sucked mostly due to the endless shower of grit and rust that accompanies it. Get used to the fact that the tank will distort and come back and it gets easy.
As Terry noted, sub-dash fun is limited, when I knew I had to go in, I lined up parts for every job I could think of while the dash was out. _________________ '86 Syncro CHC Top AAZ Turbodiesel
'04 Passat Variant 4Mo 5MT
Vanagon Build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=466866&highlight= |
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dixoncj Samba Member
Joined: June 17, 2004 Posts: 1083 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Syncroincity wrote: |
---As Terry noted, sub-dash fun is limited, when I knew I had to go in, I lined up parts for every job I could think of while the dash was out. |
--That is a great idea. |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Not only a good idea, It would be prudent to load up the grocery bag with everything you could possibly think of to update, or change under there.
The full meal deal.
This operation isn't going to bust up your knuckles, but it'll suck up hours like crazy.
I denote it as an unsavory, I despise it kinda job that is much better done only once if you can get away with that.
Phooey. _________________ T.K. |
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