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CiderGuy
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 Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:21 am Post subject: Looking For Advise, weld in new metal or replace panel? |
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This picture were taken while the body was still on the pans. The surface is smooth but doesn't look that way because the flash is catching all the marks left by my grinding off paint and rust. My question is should I weld this, cut away damaged metal and make a repair by piecing in new metal pieces, or should I purchase a new nose panel and cut that in? Looking for advise from others who have been here before. Thanks.
Looks worst in pictures
From behind the nose.
This is the replacement panel for the nose, If I go this route, I would cut out pieces from the current nose for any addition repair panels I need. I already purchased the headlight buckets replacements, along with the front apron which is just about rotted away on this car.
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c21darrel
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CiderGuy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Youre correct the center of the nose is in good shape. The lower area just above the apron is torn and thin, and around the cut outs for the turn signals and horn. I don't believe those parts are available as replacement panels. |
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c21darrel
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CiderGuy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey thanks even your picture helps! I noticed the difference in the signal light between your year and the 73. |
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c21darrel
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CiderGuy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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perfect time to weld that fatchick stuff up and get some proper nipple turn sigs
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Dare I say it ? Love those nipples .... |
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kman
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| There are fairly gentle curves in this area and it should be easy enough to shape some patches for the areas left over. The whole nose panel is overkill IMO. |
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CiderGuy
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| kman wrote: |
| There are fairly gentle curves in this area and it should be easy enough to shape some patches for the areas left over. The whole nose panel is overkill IMO. |
I guess I could use a sand bag to try and form the curves. Actually cutting the nose away isn't something I really want to do. Its just that metal that is there seems so flimsy and weak along the area around where the bummer mounts go and below that. |
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kman
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| kman wrote: |
| There are fairly gentle curves in this area and it should be easy enough to shape some patches for the areas left over. The whole nose panel is overkill IMO. |
I guess I could use a sand bag to try and form the curves. Actually cutting the nose away isn't something I really want to do. Its just that metal that is there seems so flimsy and weak along the area around where the bummer mounts go and below that. |
Use a nylon or wood teardrop hammer and hammer gently. Don't try to do it all at once. Pushing the hammer back and forth into the metal on the sandbag will also help shape it without creating big dents that you have to take out later.
If the metal is too thin cut until you get to better stuff. If you need to get the whole nose panel then try cutting straight across underneath both fresh air vents. it is easy to hide welds on a ridge. I bet you could sell the remainder of the nose section to a needy accident victim. |
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CiderGuy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kman wrote: |
| CiderGuy wrote: |
| kman wrote: |
| There are fairly gentle curves in this area and it should be easy enough to shape some patches for the areas left over. The whole nose panel is overkill IMO. |
I guess I could use a sand bag to try and form the curves. Actually cutting the nose away isn't something I really want to do. Its just that metal that is there seems so flimsy and weak along the area around where the bummer mounts go and below that. |
Use a nylon or wood teardrop hammer and hammer gently. Don't try to do it all at once. Pushing the hammer back and forth into the metal on the sandbag will also help shape it without creating big dents that you have to take out later.
If the metal is too thin cut until you get to better stuff. If you need to get the whole nose panel then try cutting straight across underneath both fresh air vents. it is easy to hide welds on a ridge. I bet you could sell the remainder of theeinfo, nose section to a needy accident victim. |
I hope I don't need to buy the nose sections just to cut it up into pieces. The welds that we made so far once primed, are invisible. Thanks for the info, we have those hammers. |
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CiderGuy
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| 20ga Sheet metal or heavier? |
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kman
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| 20 is plenty good for this. |
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John Miller
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Here is exactly how much area the standard lower repair panel covers.
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CiderGuy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| John, Perfect picture really helps a lot. A couple of hours ago, I was trying to figure out exactly where the apron panel went. Thanks ! |
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kiwighia68
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The front of your car can take a lot of repairing at the hands of an old-fashioned and committed panel-beater. And I can tell you that there is a good deal of satisfaction to be had from seeing those repairs being done, piece by piece - as opposed to taking the quick and easy route, which is to weld in repair panels.
What you can see here is only the half of it.
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