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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007 Posts: 3914 Location: In Molinya Orbit
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Angus Dowrie wrote: |
Must have had some water come in and just sit in the low points and fester away. |
The original tar board did a fine job of keeping moisture up against the sheet metal. Rust would develop in the low points unless the car was parked in the sun with the interior aired out by lifting the carpet, mats and boards. Nobody does that. Cabriolets are worse. I think the door and seals maintained in top condition go a long way to minimise these problems.
Keep up the good work.
Nicholas _________________ '66 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet...
'65 Porsche 356C Coupe...
2005 Mecedes Benz C180 Kompressor Estate
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Yes I'm a little torn/undecided on what to put back underneath the mats. Having something actually attached to the floor pan is better from the point of view of sound deadening, but I don't want to have a modern version of tar board creating a little corrosive micro-climate!
Having said that, like most of our old cars it will be leading a far more privileged life than it probably ever did even when new. Probably won't be getting wet too often either.
I'll be putting something like dynamat around the transmission tunnel, but will be doing a bit more research on what to put on the floor pans. Open to suggestions!
My rubber mats are still in pretty good shape, small section torn on the drivers mat. So I will use them, but will also be making up carpet 'mats' so that I can preserve the mats a little. Original RHD Ghia mats are like rocking horse poo. I've booked a place in line for Kevin (trimtec) to do the interior. He may have some suggestions here, haven't spoken to him about that. |
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kman Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 739 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:20 am Post subject: |
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You could spray it with truck bed liner. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2874 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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sputnick60 wrote: |
Angus Dowrie wrote: |
Must have had some water come in and just sit in the low points and fester away. |
The original tar board did a fine job of keeping moisture up against the sheet metal. Rust would develop in the low points unless the car was parked in the sun with the interior aired out by lifting the carpet, mats and boards. Nobody does that. Cabriolets are worse. I think the door and seals maintained in top condition go a long way to minimise these problems.
Keep up the good work. :D
Nicholas |
My other air-cooled car has holes for drainage in the floorpan at the low points (in the passenger's footwell). There are special rubber plugs also used in my VW Beetles that allow water to drain out but not to be sucked in. _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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c21darrel wrote: |
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Having said that, like most of our old cars it will be leading a far more privileged life than it probably ever did even when new. Probably won't be getting wet too often either. |
This is something that many dont give much thought to. Your car, back in the day may have spent its life outdoors in the weather year after year. Now it will be babied. Dont over engineer, over think, worry too much about pans rusting again. |
I AM an engineer, so of course I'm going to over-think it! |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13952 Location: Southampton U.K.
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Did our storm make the news in the UK? It was a pretty nasty storm but I wouldnt have thought worthy of international news. We have just moved house, and our new house was right in the middle of it - quite a few broken windows.
We are about a block and a half from the 'Gabba, which as a Pom will mean something to you but not our US brethren. |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13952 Location: Southampton U.K.
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Angus Dowrie wrote: |
Did our storm make the news in the UK? It was a pretty nasty storm but I wouldnt have thought worthy of international news. We have just moved house, and our new house was right in the middle of it - quite a few broken windows.
We are about a block and a half from the 'Gabba, which as a Pom will mean something to you but not our US brethren. |
Yes it did make the news...we always look out for our colonial brethren. I have distant cousins in the Brisbane area.
Yep "The Gabba" is well known in these parts too. _________________ John.
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Rich62ghia Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2012 Posts: 147 Location: Wollongong, Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a nice project for you Angus, especially the matching numbers engine, look forward to reading more about the resto. You may want to confirm yours is a 63 model, I was told mine was a 63 model(late 62 build), but parts fitted meant it was actually a 62, heartbreaking at first had my number plates and everything planned for 1963.
Tell tale signs are:
1. Original nose badge is particular for the 60-62 years, looks like a pressed one piece badge, the VW insignia is small compared to other badges. There is also no repro available.
2. Rear deck lid script is large 1955-1962, a 63 model has a smaller script
There may be others but these were the things that confirmed mine when I tried to order replacement parts and they werent the same as my originals or wouldnt fit.
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Rich
Not good about the number plate! Very frustrating. I have a personalised one, PBE144 for Phoebe and the model number so not year-dependant. Its Black and white which is correct in QLD for that period.
But I'm sure it is a '63. I can't recall the nose badge, but the deck-lid script is the smaller one, and also the '63 has a Volkswagen script on the left side of the vertical section of the deck-lid. Not many other changes with mine, it has a stale-air motor like the '62 model as that didn't change until about half-way through the year.
I have the birth certificate which shows it as an October '62 build. |
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Panels are back from the blaster. Doors and bonnet look good - straight and rust-free so just minor scrapes and dings to fix up. Typical rust along the bottom edge of the decklid (inner and outer panels) which was obvious even before blasting.
Body is back late this week, will head down to have a look and take some photos next week.
Moved house over the weekend and all time taken up with that, and also arranging insurance repairs on storm damage that happened at the same time - busted skylights, casement windows, louvres carpet you name it . |
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Body is back from the blasters. Pretty good rust-wise, but there is more work to straighten the nose/wheel well area than I'd like!
It is fixable. Will have a look for any front clips available but they are pretty thin on the ground over here. Probably prefer to keep the original nose anyway, even if it costs more.
Forgot to take photos, will take some when I'm down next, probably Friday morning. |
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Photos back from the blasters. Some are pretty grainy sorry, iphone on a gloomy day. All the rust is shown in the photos, so not too bad. Lot of massaging around the front to fix up the crash damage though. It all looks achievable though, so no turning back from here!
Previous hammer repair of front
Poor photo of wheel well. Lot of work here, front has rolled under slightly. Means lots of metal massaging virtually back to the pillars to get lines right.
Bit of rust from a hidden panel.
Bumpers missing a fair bit of chrome....
Previous lap repair on front qtr.
Random rust areas, previous repairs around headlights.
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2874 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't look too bad, Angus. Mine has come back (to life) from much, much worse. Good luck from here. _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007 Posts: 3914 Location: In Molinya Orbit
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Angus, That's well above average for an Australian delivered Ghia. You chose well! It will come up nicely.
You might try contact Vic Brkovec for a front clip. He brings containers of stuff from the US on occasion. Also, Boris at Vintage Vee dub has a smashed Ghia that has one side totalled (head on ) and the other side sort of OK. It might have sections you can use for yours.
When you get to doing the bumpers I'll give you the details of my guy in Queenbeyan.
Nicholas. _________________ '66 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet...
'65 Porsche 356C Coupe...
2005 Mecedes Benz C180 Kompressor Estate
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the comments, keeps the motivation on the boil!
I'll check into those options for some panel sections. The existingfront can largely get panel-beaten OK again. But there are some crisp shaped sections like the cross at the bottom of the wheel-well and even the nose ridge which can be hard to get right. I have an overall preference to keep the car as close to as it left the factory, but if a section can't be resurrected an original offcut is preferable to a repro.
Nicholas can you send me the contact for your chromer? I was just talking with Barry about the chroming, be good to have another option. I want to send off all the bits for chrome at once, not in dribs and drabs. He was talking about some guys at Lismore and Coffs. |
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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007 Posts: 3914 Location: In Molinya Orbit
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Angus Dowrie wrote: |
Nicholas can you send me the contact for your chromer |
Electroplating Technology
2/67 Thurralilly Street
Queanbeyan East NSW 2620
Australia
+61 2 6297 053
Remember its summer holidays right now. He might be taking a break. Anyhow, before you send, give him a call. I also suggest you photograph each part you send and print that as part of the packing manifest. I do this for everything when I send work out. It helps the operator so much with tracking the parts through process. I estimate that a set of Euro bumpers dings removed, copper, nickel and chrome with polish is around $2.5k AUD. Yes expensive but absolutely show quality.
Before you install have the back of them sprayed with body colour. It will reflect against the body and protect rust from forming again.
Nicholas . _________________ '66 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet...
'65 Porsche 356C Coupe...
2005 Mecedes Benz C180 Kompressor Estate
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Some more progress. Bottom of deck lid inner and outer skins were pretty shot so new ones fabbed up. Briefly back on car to check fitment.
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Angus Dowrie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 341 Location: Kangaroo Point, Australia
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:10 am Post subject: |
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It's been a while since I posted, but work has been continuing.
You can see the pitted areas on the floor have been replaced. Replacing the minimum amount required, rather than just putting in the whole new panel. Trying to keep as much of the original metal as practicable.
Last one shows the tarted up front beam. A Disc brake kit will be one of the few mods I'll be making on the car. The beam is on to check the diagonals on the floor pan. |
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