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Deckard Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2012 Posts: 296 Location: Knoxville, TN
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:15 pm Post subject: Bumper-less Ghias... |
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I have been looking for a KG to give to my wife as a surprise gift, and I am finding a disproportionate number of them with some sort of custom job where both bumpers are taken out and the nose cone and tail filled and sanded smooth. I am now looking at a very nice '67 with tiny "nerf" (I think that what they are called) bumpers. The owner does not have the OEM parts.
How difficult is is to source the original (or repro) '67 bumpers? Are all late Ghia bumpers the same, meaning can I use a '72 in a '67?
And finally, what's with the bumper-less look?
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retrofive Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2014 Posts: 88 Location: So.Or.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Bumper-less Ghias... |
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Deckard wrote: |
I have been looking for a KG to give to my wife as a surprise gift, and I am finding a disproportionate number of them with some sort of custom job where both bumpers are taken out and the nose cone and tail filled and sanded smooth. I am now looking at a very nice '67 with tiny "nerf" (I think that what they are called) bumpers. The owner does not have the OEM parts.
How difficult is is to source the original (or repro) '67 bumpers? Are all late Ghia bumpers the same, meaning can I use a '72 in a '67?
And finally, what's with the bumper-less look?
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The smarter ones will chime in, but over there years they changed the bumper several times, from the tubes to the length of the wings and some drastic changes '70+ i believe.
I like the look the of the front bumper and not the rear. Just my personal preference. I still have both stock ones for my '69 if I decide to put them back on. |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Bumpers aren't cheap, unless you find one local, or junkyard. They come up on the classifieds here and I'm sure they sell reproduction bumpers and stainless ones. The curve of the bumpers between late and early are different so I don't know if you could use some from a 72.
As for the look it makes them look a little more 'mean' like they have some bite. Same goes with removing the chrome trim, makes it look less pretty. I don't personally care for this look, but I guess if the nose gets smashed you won't have to worry about replacing the bumper _________________ 1973 karmann ghia - current, not the last VW.
1947 Chevy stylemaster - gone, but not forgotten.
1995 Ford F-150 - gone, hatred for it lives. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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There are lots of bumpers/bumper parts for sale in the classifieds here. $100+ starting with blades only.
67 would have had 67,68,69 rear bumper with divots for the reverse lights. The divots are on the corner pieces, the rest is the same. The front is basically the same for all years except 72-74.
67 style...
Front...
70-71 corner, note it does not have the reverse divot and the hole for towel bar is on the flat, the one you are after has the towel bar hole around the corner and has a divot for reverse light.
note where the side mounting bolt on the inside is. This is what you are looking for, the bolt hole is very close to the end. If its more than a couple inches in its an EARLY bumper corner.
here is a pic of some corners i had with the divot, look close and squint, should be clear as mud
_________________ GhiaBuild
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481184
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=693583&highlight=67+dc
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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And here's a picture of a late model, taken from the rear of my 73. Not many people like these, compared to the ones above, you can see why. Big ugly and mine of course aren't the best example I actually like the late model bumpers and tail lights.
_________________ 1973 karmann ghia - current, not the last VW.
1947 Chevy stylemaster - gone, but not forgotten.
1995 Ford F-150 - gone, hatred for it lives. |
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Deckard Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2012 Posts: 296 Location: Knoxville, TN
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to all. I am going to look at the '67 tomorrow. |
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-Zodiac- Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2014 Posts: 782 Location: Pensacola/milton, florida
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Don't forget to post pictures for us _________________ 1973 karmann ghia - current, not the last VW.
1947 Chevy stylemaster - gone, but not forgotten.
1995 Ford F-150 - gone, hatred for it lives. |
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mlhsquared Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2008 Posts: 1482 Location: Strasburg, VA
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Check the stickies above for various Ghia facts, including some info. about bumpers:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=563123
Also check the section in that thread about year to year differences. '67 Ghias have many one-year-only parts. _________________ Mike
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NOVA Airhead Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2005 Posts: 5221 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Bumper-less Ghias... |
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Deckard wrote: |
I have been looking for a KG to give to my wife as a surprise gift, and I am finding a disproportionate number of them with some sort of custom job where both bumpers are taken out and the nose cone and tail filled and sanded smooth. I am now looking at a very nice '67 with tiny "nerf" (I think that what they are called) bumpers. The owner does not have the OEM parts.
How difficult is is to source the original (or repro) '67 bumpers? Are all late Ghia bumpers the same, meaning can I use a '72 in a '67?
And finally, what's with the bumper-less look?
Cheers |
Good originals are hard to find. Go to KGPR's web site and see what they want for a complete reconditioned front and rear OG set. $2K and that does not include all of the seals, brackets and hardware. This is why you see so many cars without bumpers.
Its also why people are going with the stainless repros, even with some of the challenges people have had with fit. They are less than half the price. _________________ Ghia Owner Emeritus |
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asbug Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2008 Posts: 287 Location: N.W. Ga.
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:06 am Post subject: |
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My Jenny came with a bent and rusty incomplete set.
I think a Ghia just looks naked with out bumpers, so I went with the SS ones from Vietnam.
Long wait and a pain to install, but overall I would do it again.
Here are some before and after shots:
_________________ 1969 Ghia Vert - Jenny.
2004 B5.5 Passat Wagon - no name yet.
2012 Routan - Urban Assault Vehicle. |
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Deckard Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2012 Posts: 296 Location: Knoxville, TN
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:04 am Post subject: |
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[quote="asbug"]My Jenny came with a bent and rusty incomplete set.
I think a Ghia just looks naked with out bumpers, so I went with the SS ones from Vietnam.
Long wait and a pain to install, but overall I would do it again.
Here are some before and after shots:
Thanks for the before and after. Are the SS bumpers the stainless-steel ones I have seen at evwparts?
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Here is another option if you want to go with non-chrome/stainless bumpers on a pre-'72 Ghia.
http://vwinnovations.com/index.php?option=com_hika...Itemid=191
This is direction I'm headed - painting them body color.
bryan _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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c21darrel Samba Member
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KGCoupe Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 3580 Location: Putting the "ill" and "annoy" in Illinois
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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I have been very interested in the possibility of using fiberglass bumpers that have been treated with this flexible "chrome" plating.
... but like the rest of my Ghia project, it's mostly just an interest at this point. |
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Deckard Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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FYI I passed on the '67, the driver's side rockers were rusted so badly there was a fist-sized tunnel on the rear wheel wheel. The rest of the car had a lot of cosmetic fixes, but not what I am looking for. |
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asbug Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2008 Posts: 287 Location: N.W. Ga.
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Deckard wrote: |
Thanks for the before and after. Are the SS bumpers the stainless-steel ones I have seen at evwparts?
Cheers |
I hope that you have found your ghia by now but yes I think that those are the same. There is a thread on here about the SS bumpers.
Mine have been on for awhile now and I would still do it again, just remember that none of the seals for the bumper to body and the teeth to blades on the bumpers themselves are not included.
Also the outter corner bumper bolts on the front are a PAIN to get in.
I ended up gently torquing mine over with a hardened socket bolt to get the angle right.
My car came with a set of those fiberglass blade style ones and I just didn't like them. _________________ 1969 Ghia Vert - Jenny.
2004 B5.5 Passat Wagon - no name yet.
2012 Routan - Urban Assault Vehicle. |
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