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vince1
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Stripped66
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It's bad ass.
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| Bodacious wrote: |
| Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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Pat D
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We will post the Gen 4 ecu feature list later today on the CB site.
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vince1
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VWCOOL
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| When you say 'bad-ass'... how does it compare to Haltech, Microtech, MoTeC, Megasquirt etc? |
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Pat D
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ECU features
32bit processor, Marine grade locking connectors, 4mb of internal storage
8 High or Low impendence Injector drivers.
4 On board Direct Fire Ignition Drivers. Each driver can fire up to 2 coils.
8 Smart Coil drivers
VR Crank and Cam Input (36-1 Trigger Wheel supported for crankshaft position)
Hall Effect Crank and Cam Input
Coil Negative input (also accepts this input as a ignition timing control through points or points replacement modules)
8 Analog 0-5 volt inputs
8 Digital Inputs
On Board 2.5 Bar MAP sensor or external 1,2,3 or 5 Bar MAP input
On Board Barometer sensor (Adjusts tune automatically for altitude)
4 On Board Wideband O2 sensors
4 On Board K-Type EGT controllers
H-Bridge IAC Controller
Gas, Methanol or E-85 Compatible (AFR displayed in gasoline scale)
Boost Controller
Water/Meth Controller
6 Outputs (1-amp max each)
Rev-Limiter and 2-Step Rev Limiter
Software Features
20x20 Fuel, Ignition, Air Fuel Ratio, Learning, High/Low learn limits, Water/Meth Table Sizes.
Speed Density or Alpha-N configurable load boundaries
Pulse Width or VE based Fuel Table tuning strategies
Individual Ignition coil trim
Individual injector trim, including Idle – Midrange and wide open throttle
Assisted tuning strategy via closed loop and learning, user selectable
Adjustable Spark Dwell based on load and Temperature
Temperature based timing compensation
Internal data logger allows you to export data after run or tuning session
Turbo Over boost and Anti-lag
Sensor low and high limits settings, with sensor fail defaults
Temperature based enrichment settings
Air Intake Temp Compensation
Selectable Voltage Injector trim
Staged Injection via TPS and/or MAP
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jfats808
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And the magic question.... $$?
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Pat D
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| And the magic question.... $$? |
We are not exactly sure as of yet. We are trying to keep the retail price at $795.00 for the ECU and $2,395.00 for the complete EFI system.
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jfats808
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| Pat D wrote: |
| jfats808 wrote: |
| And the magic question.... $$? |
We are not exactly sure as of yet. We are trying to keep the retail price at $795.00 for the ECU and $2,395.00 for the complete EFI system. |
Thanks Pat. I have a quicktune kit in boxes and dubshops hideaway crank gear set up. I was exploring options between running ms2 3.57 and the additional accessories vs adding on the 2094 kit and quicktune. And now this new system in the works eliminates additional connections and wires albeit almost 200 more additional. Whats the possibilities that the kit can be purchased at a little reduced cost less the crankfire accessories? Thanks, I want to explore my options.
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Pat D
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The complete Gen-4 efi kit does not include the crank trigger hardware. All ignition components, crank trigger hardware, cam synch are sold separately.
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Dale M.
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| Pat D wrote: |
| The complete Gen-4 efi kit does not include the crank trigger hardware. All ignition components, crank trigger hardware, cam synch are sold separately. |
So plus another $200-400....
What type connection for tune, USB or RS-232 or bluetooth? Does software come with it does it support ANDROID....
Dale
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jfats808
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| Pat D wrote: |
| The complete Gen-4 efi kit does not include the crank trigger hardware. All ignition components, crank trigger hardware, cam synch are sold separately. |
So in actuality for my particular set up question, all I would need is a quad tower coil and the new efi system? Since the drivers are already on board? I like that the new proposed system has more inputs to add on additional systems like pump intercooling, oil fan coolers, etc im still learning efi particulars so pls correct me where im wrong. Thanks.
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Chip 
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| Pat D wrote: |
ECU features
32bit processor, Marine grade locking connectors, 4mb of internal storage
8 High or Low impendence Injector drivers.
4 On board Direct Fire Ignition Drivers. Each driver can fire up to 2 coils.
8 Smart Coil drivers
VR Crank and Cam Input (36-1 Trigger Wheel supported for crankshaft position)
Hall Effect Crank and Cam Input
Coil Negative input (also accepts this input as a ignition timing control through points or points replacement modules)
8 Analog 0-5 volt inputs
8 Digital Inputs
On Board 2.5 Bar MAP sensor or external 1,2,3 or 5 Bar MAP input
On Board Barometer sensor (Adjusts tune automatically for altitude)
4 On Board Wideband O2 sensors
4 On Board K-Type EGT controllers
H-Bridge IAC Controller
Gas, Methanol or E-85 Compatible (AFR displayed in gasoline scale)
Boost Controller
Water/Meth Controller
6 Outputs (1-amp max each)
Rev-Limiter and 2-Step Rev Limiter
Software Features
20x20 Fuel, Ignition, Air Fuel Ratio, Learning, High/Low learn limits, Water/Meth Table Sizes.
Speed Density or Alpha-N configurable load boundaries
Pulse Width or VE based Fuel Table tuning strategies
Individual Ignition coil trim
Individual injector trim, including Idle – Midrange and wide open throttle
Assisted tuning strategy via closed loop and learning, user selectable
Adjustable Spark Dwell based on load and Temperature
Temperature based timing compensation
Internal data logger allows you to export data after run or tuning session
Turbo Over boost and Anti-lag
Sensor low and high limits settings, with sensor fail defaults
Temperature based enrichment settings
Air Intake Temp Compensation
Selectable Voltage Injector trim
Staged Injection via TPS and/or MAP |
Sounds VERY impressive!
Price sounds good too! |
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Pat D
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We tried to pack as many options into this ecu as we could, keeping it within a price point our industry can handle. Mark and I have been Beta testing the ecu for over a year and are very happy with the results. We have added many options that our Magna F/S ecu did not have.
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Stripped66
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| Pat D wrote: |
| We tried to pack as many options into this ecu as we could, keeping it within a price point our industry can handle. Mark and I have been Beta testing the ecu for over a year and are very happy with the results. We have added many options that our Magna F/S ecu did not have. |
It's definitely packed with features! If you stay within your targeted price, it's like buying a data-logger for 4-channel EGT and O2, and getting the EFI/ignition control for free. 
Regarding the 1-amp outputs, are these just switched outputs, or PWM? If PWM, how many channels?
*IF* this ECU had a CANbus datastream that could be interpreted by a PCS device, I'd sell my Electromotive Tec-GT today and run your new ECU. Very impressive work!
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| Bodacious wrote: |
| Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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Pat D
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| Stripped66 wrote: |
| Pat D wrote: |
| We tried to pack as many options into this ecu as we could, keeping it within a price point our industry can handle. Mark and I have been Beta testing the ecu for over a year and are very happy with the results. We have added many options that our Magna F/S ecu did not have. |
It's definitely packed with features! If you stay within your targeted price, it's like buying a data-logger for 4-channel EGT and O2, and getting the EFI/ignition control for free.
Regarding the 1-amp outputs, are these just switched outputs, or PWM? If PWM, how many channels?
*IF* this ECU had a CANbus datastream that could be interpreted by a PCS device, I'd sell my Electromotive Tec-GT today and run your new ECU. Very impressive work! |
The Gen-4 does have a canbus, we have not yet interfaced it with anything to date. As far as the GPO's, the only GPO so far that is PWM is the water/meth output. What is it that you want to PWM? We have intentions later on for nitrous control and will PWM the selenoid.
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Stripped66
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| Pat D wrote: |
| The Gen-4 does have a canbus, we have not yet interfaced it with anything to date. As far as the GPO's, the only GPO so far that is PWM is the water/meth output. What is it that you want to PWM? We have intentions later on for nitrous control and will PWM the selenoid. |
Shouldn't the boost controller also be PWM, or is this not counted in your 6 GPOs (because it's not a GPO but its own output)?
I use PWM for my wastegate solenoid and my VGT turbo. And, although it would also be nice to have a configurable PWM table that could incorporate variables other than MAP and RPM, I realize this is not a remote concern for your intended market.
Right now, the only thing holding me to Electromotive is the 2 PWM outputs and it will talk to PCS via CAN. Regardless, I don't expect all of my needs to be met by a sub-$1000 ECU...you have packed a phenomenal number of features into that ECU for the cost, which is very commendable.
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| Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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58Dub
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sounds great... hope to be able to get one next year as I make progress on my build
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raygreenwood
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Just wondering.....because not far off I will be diving into an aftermarket injection system for a friends 914 engine.
When you say "marine Grade locking connectors"....whose connectors?
By that I mean whose connector design is inside of the plug body? If its EV-1 style dual cantilever or a manufactured under license equivalent....very cool!
I'm hoping its NOT the pre-EV-1 GM/Delphi Weatherpack system with the round molex pin or the single cantilever connector.
While Weatherpack was is the BEST SEALING connector body on the market.....even GM quit using (for the most part...finally) the early pre-EV-1 connectors in their systems because of the horrible long term reliability.
Just asking because the connector and harness systems are usually the weak points of most aftermarket programmables. Ray |
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Pat D
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| The Gen-4 does have a canbus, we have not yet interfaced it with anything to date. As far as the GPO's, the only GPO so far that is PWM is the water/meth output. What is it that you want to PWM? We have intentions later on for nitrous control and will PWM the selenoid. |
Shouldn't the boost controller also be PWM, or is this not counted in your 6 GPOs (because it's not a GPO but its own output)?
I use PWM for my wastegate solenoid and my VGT turbo. And, although it would also be nice to have a configurable PWM table that could incorporate variables other than MAP and RPM, I realize this is not a remote concern for your intended market.
Right now, the only thing holding me to Electromotive is the 2 PWM outputs and it will talk to PCS via CAN. Regardless, I don't expect all of my needs to be met by a sub-$1000 ECU...you have packed a phenomenal number of features into that ECU for the cost, which is very commendable. |
Sorry, The boost control, nitrous control and water/meth control are all dedicated PWM outputs.
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