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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32432 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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Syncro Jael Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2013 Posts: 2204 Location: Utah
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:50 am Post subject: |
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For those of us that still use ours in winter/salt conditions, rust protection is the key. I am learning more of what others have been telling us about WAX protection.
Insyncro has always talked about Fluid Film, Waxoyl. I used the Fluid Film last season and have purchased Waxoyl for additional protection this winter.
I truly believe that there is something to be learned from the East Coast van owners. Or maybe I am just slow to learn.
Thanks again to those that teach us on this board. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Hightop - NAHT
Subaru EJ25 Forged Frankenmotor, Triple Knob.
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90Doka_Guy Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2007 Posts: 548 Location: South Jersey
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:28 am Post subject: |
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They haven't salted down here in south jersey yet, but the forecast is calling for possible flurries overnight so I wouldn't be surprised if everything is caked in salt on my way home from work tonight.
I remember last year they brined 295 mid-October even without any freezing weather in the forecast. I suspect it was some sort of dry run but at least they're waiting longer this year.
Salted roads are definitely in my top 3 of all time hated things. _________________ -'87 Westy
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17962 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Start/pass a State wide Petition/Initiative to outlaw salt on your roads. Make them use sand instead. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Syncro Jael wrote: |
For those of us that still use ours in winter/salt conditions, rust protection is the key. I am learning more of what others have been telling us about WAX protection.
Insyncro has always talked about Fluid Film, Waxoyl. I used the Fluid Film last season and have purchased Waxoyl for additional protection this winter.
I truly believe that there is something to be learned from the East Coast van owners. Or maybe I am just slow to learn.
Thanks again to those that teach us on this board. |
Waxoyl....is ancient technology. It re-wets and flows because it never actually dries..... in hot weather. In the looong term....it pulls in and suspends enough salt, grit and moisture that it causes corrosion.
Its a great product for when it was invented. But I have seen the undersides of many vehicles that it was left on long term...and they had ugly rust damage due to the crap that gets embedded in waxoyl.
If it were easy to remove...which it is not...and could be steam stripped every say...3-5 years....awesome. Other than that I would never use it for something I wanted to protect long term.
Take the time to strip the undercarriage, then epoxy prime, epoxy topcoat....and then go through with a good 25 year rated acrylic weatherstripping caulk and diligently caulk any gap, pore or hole that is too large for the hard shell epoxy.
It doesn't get any better than that.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Fisher wrote: |
Start/pass a State wide Petition/Initiative to outlaw salt on your roads. Make them use sand instead. |
That might work where you're at Mike, but states that use salt do it for a reason, like to melt snow, and ice off the roadways. Too much money to be lost IF they were to close the roads and businesses due to some snow.
Road salt is just a part of living in a different part of the country in the winter months.
Just so you know, it's snowing here right now. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13247 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Mike Fisher wrote: |
Start/pass a State wide Petition/Initiative to outlaw salt on your roads. Make them use sand instead. |
That might work where you're at Mike, but states that use salt do it for a reason, like to melt snow, and ice off the roadways. Too much money to be lost IF they were to close the roads and businesses due to some snow.
Road salt is just a part of living in a different part of the country in the winter months.
Just so you know, it's snowing here right now. |
I don't know about that... I've always wondered why east coast cities use salt. They certainly don't have any more snow that other cities that dont use salt
Actaually, based on quick research, None of the snowiest places in the US are on the east coast where they use salt. All are west coast, Colorado, Washington, Utah, etc where they use sand and gravel
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/snowiest.php jump to Heaviest Yearly Snowfalls
I'd guess it has more to do with salt mines on the east coast |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Colorado, Wyoming and Montana use salt in their mix and have been for years
here it warmed up to 20 today after lows of -25 and the streets are slush as the DOT uses %$# salt with the mix _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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crukab Samba Chef
Joined: December 13, 2002 Posts: 6114 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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We have not had snow/salt.... YET !
I hope to drive the '66 tomorrow, but not if we get the expected snow ....
I've been driving this sweet Jeti warrior for 5 winters,
collects all the salt so my old ones don't. _________________ Tom
My Pops:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=604100&highlight=
I know you will always be with me, rest in peace with no more pain. 8/13/14.....
In the yard right now:
'51 Dodge 5 window truck
'65 Bug
'66 Singlecab
'82 Rabbit Truck Diesel from CALI
'86 Doublecab W/T
'91 Vanagon carat/wolfsbrg.Tiico
'88 Dodge Ram pickup
'11 Jetta Wagon |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Having lived all over the place...and being in the midwest for about 3 years now.....the midwest (call it Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota and some fringes).....I can, tell you that we use more salt in these areas primarily because its generally flatter.....and short of the upper northeast....we have alternating cold and warm-ish....and its windier
The ice/snow tends to have less low areas to run off info once you can melt it. It melts...runs back onto roads and rewets and refreezes over and over.
And....worse than the salt by far is the magnesium chloride spray treatments....but god that stuff works on the roads. Ray |
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far rider Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2005 Posts: 770 Location: Rutland, VT
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:11 am Post subject: |
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If you have to drive in salt, snow and wet conditions; Oil undercoating. Plain and simple. Actually hot oil undercoating so it flows into every crevice joint and seam. 100% effective. It's a little messy at first when done properly and needs to be redone yearly but it keeps rust away.
I'm in central Vermont. Nearby is a shop that only performs oil undercoating. He's been doing it for a hundred years and I'm guessing is grandfathered on some environmental roadblocks. The first time through he'll drill and plug holes in cavities such as doors and blast away. I have a 10 year old Silverado that I have oiled very year and there's not a spec of rust on it. _________________ 67 zenith blue sunroof
Contentment; when what you have is what you want. |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13843 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Here in the high country of Arizona it is a MagCloride treatment. DOT used to use cinders for traction. Trust me I would much rather have broken windshield then a rusted out frame. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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crukab Samba Chef
Joined: December 13, 2002 Posts: 6114 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:04 am Post subject: |
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And just like that, we are done. We had some snow flurries and they salted last night.... Now in March when the Town/State complains about running out of salt, I'll know why...
Now it's time to start on Winter projects..... _________________ Tom
My Pops:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=604100&highlight=
I know you will always be with me, rest in peace with no more pain. 8/13/14.....
In the yard right now:
'51 Dodge 5 window truck
'65 Bug
'66 Singlecab
'82 Rabbit Truck Diesel from CALI
'86 Doublecab W/T
'91 Vanagon carat/wolfsbrg.Tiico
'88 Dodge Ram pickup
'11 Jetta Wagon |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:55 am Post subject: |
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far rider wrote: |
If you have to drive in salt, snow and wet conditions; Oil undercoating. Plain and simple. Actually hot oil undercoating so it flows into every crevice joint and seam. 100% effective. It's a little messy at first when done properly and needs to be redone yearly but it keeps rust away.
I'm in central Vermont. Nearby is a shop that only performs oil undercoating. He's been doing it for a hundred years and I'm guessing is grandfathered on some environmental roadblocks. The first time through he'll drill and plug holes in cavities such as doors and blast away. I have a 10 year old Silverado that I have oiled very year and there's not a spec of rust on it. |
Yes.....this is actually the best bet for heavily salted areas for cars thatcmustcbe driven in it.. It protects extremely well.....and as noted. ...MUST be reapplied every year.....but even better with this process....most shops that I have seen that do it (its been since high school since I have seen it myself)......steam clean the underside first. At, very least they run the far through a high pressure undercarriage wash.
This is part of what makes it work well. They remove the old oil....and most of the salt and grime.... before applying fresh oil.
Thanks for the reminder of this method. I had forgotten about it.
The problem with waxoyl is that its very hard to get off. Also over time it collects lots of bad stuff that always gets through nooks and crannies. Ray |
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pondoras box Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 1207 Location: Eerie PA
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Erik G wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
Mike Fisher wrote: |
Start/pass a State wide Petition/Initiative to outlaw salt on your roads. Make them use sand instead. |
That might work where you're at Mike, but states that use salt do it for a reason, like to melt snow, and ice off the roadways. Too much money to be lost IF they were to close the roads and businesses due to some snow.
Road salt is just a part of living in a different part of the country in the winter months.
Just so you know, it's snowing here right now. |
I don't know about that... I've always wondered why east coast cities use salt. They certainly don't have any more snow that other cities that dont use salt
Actaually, based on quick research, None of the snowiest places in the US are on the east coast where they use salt. All are west coast, Colorado, Washington, Utah, etc where they use sand and gravel
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/snowiest.php jump to Heaviest Yearly Snowfalls
I'd guess it has more to do with salt mines on the east coast |
Actually google cities with a population of 100,000 people or more and probably 1/2 are east coast with wonderful Erie being number 1 last year, yay!
We got 12 inches last Thursday and more expected for the next week, salt is a necessary evil. The lake effect snow machine is an nasty mistress. We couldn't afford to allow the city and surrounding area to rely on sand when you are getting snow at a rate of a foot in just a few hours. They were expecting rain last Thursday so PennDOT wasn't prepared and it was a mess. Kids were stuck on buses for over three hours trying to get home from school.
It was 70 degrees on Wednesday and I saw a lot of classic cars out for their last use before next May. _________________ Looking for anything from Hal Casey Motors out of Hamburg New York, from license plate surrounds to matchbooks.
1961 23 Window (Bobo)
1965 11 Window (Zelda)
1965 13 Window (Lucas)
1957 Oval ragtop
1988 Cabriolet VR6 conversion
Plus a lot of other rusty junk |
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VWCOOL Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 1821 Location: Down under
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Us Aussies don't have to deal with this type of conditions, ever, so we get to enjoy or classics year-round. The most we have to deal with is a few weeks of rain!
Salt... what harm does that do to rivers/lakes etc? |
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notchback Insensitive Jerk
Joined: December 16, 2003 Posts: 7024 Location: Behind the Zion Curtain
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Erik G wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
Mike Fisher wrote: |
Start/pass a State wide Petition/Initiative to outlaw salt on your roads. Make them use sand instead. |
That might work where you're at Mike, but states that use salt do it for a reason, like to melt snow, and ice off the roadways. Too much money to be lost IF they were to close the roads and businesses due to some snow.
Road salt is just a part of living in a different part of the country in the winter months.
Just so you know, it's snowing here right now. |
I don't know about that... I've always wondered why east coast cities use salt. They certainly don't have any more snow that other cities that dont use salt
Actaually, based on quick research, None of the snowiest places in the US are on the east coast where they use salt. All are west coast, Colorado, Washington, Utah, etc where they use sand and gravel
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/snowiest.php jump to Heaviest Yearly Snowfalls
I'd guess it has more to do with salt mines on the east coast |
I don't know where you got your information about Utah using sand and gravel, but you must have never been there in the winter. According to utah.gov, they use 210,000 tons of salt per year on the roads there. I go to Utah quite often in the winter. The roads up to the state line will be icy, but once you cross the line, you hit the salted roads and you have no ice. _________________
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utahclaimjumper Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2012 Posts: 114 Location: Cedar City, Ut.
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Utah also uses salt brine out of the great salt lake on the roads in SLC.>>>Dan |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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shortride Samba Member
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