Removing '69 ignition?

[kguarnotta]

Well I have a '69 singelcab. A PO removed the original ignition, and put an aftermarket starter on the dash. I'm now on my second one of these over 7 years. I would like to go back to the original ignition in the pod on the steering column.

So a couple years ago I got an ignition and pod for my bus, with no key.

I can see that I can get a used ignition cylinder for a relatively reasonable price, which may be cheaper than trying to get this old one re-keyed. Also this old one looks like it is pretty beat up. I'm trying to figure out how to remove the old one - I think you are supposed to take a thick wire, and bend it around and into a small hole-which releases a spring, and helps get the ignition out. I've tried this - and the ignition cylinder does not really want to come out. I'm wondering if I need to have a key in it to pull it out?

Alternatively - I could just drill it out right? I'm just not sure if that would destroy the whole thing. Is that a decent alternative?
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-Kevin
Lincoln, MA

'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper

[airschooled]

The '69 bus uses the "L" code key profile, and that year ignition switch (68-70 I think) can not be re-keyed. So if you're going to try a used German lock cylinder, you'll need the key too! The electrical part of the switch can be swapped in the car in about half an hour, but removing the locking mechanism takes more time. You found the article about the '70 switch replacement that mentioned the bent welding rod? Good, because that's where the instructions are

Robbie
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[Tcash]

If you can get it out, without destroying it. There is a key code on it. Steelersbus or a lock smith can cut you a key with this number. Good Luck

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=312340
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=483769
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=497431&highlight=key+code

[skills@eurocarsplus]

don't drill it. find a old key it doesn't need to be the correct one, you need it to pull the lock barrel out. they just don't pop out.

i have a early lock assy out. i will take a picture for you if i remember
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[aeromech]

i will take a picture for you if i remember

Might be time to lay off the booze bro
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[busdaddy]

[kguarnotta]

Thanks for the tip - especially the info that I need a key in the ignition to pull the old one out. That was oen thing I was not sure about.

I think I have a key that will fit - I'll take a look around.
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-Kevin
Lincoln, MA

'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper

[skills@eurocarsplus]

[aeromech]

make sure the killing plant is up and running as good as it can be

Sounds like you live in Terminus
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[bigbore]

While you guys are dancing around like BD said let a pro do it or in my case show it . You don't need a key if the steel plate is still on the bottom of the pod remove the 4 screws you can now see the lock setup you will see what looks like a rivit head its just a plug (if its still threre) now take a piece of stiff wire bend into a L (rounding the end of the wire will make it work easier) push it in the hole wiggle the lock as you are pushing the wire in now take a thin bladed screw driver just under the edge of the key switch and pop it out. if it doesn't come out try again you may not have the wire set good.

This info only works on this style of switch 68-69 if it later or looks different this will not work.
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[kguarnotta]

I GOT IT! Thanks. I was trying to release a spring on the top side, instead of through that visible hole. Thanks.

I forgot to add - that little rivet was missing on mine. Not sure if that means anything.

I've now got the key code-and can order up some keys.
Thanks again.
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-Kevin
Lincoln, MA

'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper

[kguarnotta]

OK, so now I'm trying to put a new dash pod onto my bus. When removing the steering wheel, I bent the turn signal cancel ring. Piece that look something like this - http://www.socalautoparts.com/product_info.php/aftermarket-turn-signal-canceling-ring-bug-p-16579

I have bent it back, but if I could get a new one, I would. Anyone know what this part number is, and if it is possible to get a new one - and am I calling it the right thing?

thanks.
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-Kevin
Lincoln, MA

'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper

[airschooled]

[Tcash]

Turn signal switch to steering wheel clearance

[Tom Powell]

turn signal repairs with replacement switch

A bit of soldering, electrical tape and a few zip ties. The repair/hack has lasted twenty+ years, but it doesn't cancel by itself.

Aloha
tp

[kguarnotta]

Well I got it all back together - and I stupidly forgot to mark the steering wheel - so it is not centered.

But a bigger issue - when I go to start the singlecab- the ignition does not spring back. In other words, I turn the key - and the key would stay in the "start" position. I imagine there is a spring missing somewhere - but I'm not sure where that would be, and what would be the bad part.

Ie what should i be looking to get to fix it?
Do I just need this:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1680942

or this:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1684725

Just to help clarify - this is for my '69 Singlecab. Type L profile keys.
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-Kevin
Lincoln, MA

'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper

[Tcash]

The ignition switch is what springs back the key. Try some of this.
http://www.amazon.com/Lock-Ease-Graphite-Lock-Fluid-3-4/dp/B0006MWPZA

[kguarnotta]

Sorry to be so stupid about this - the ignition switch is the part that the key fits into, right? ie the short little cylinder?
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-Kevin
Lincoln, MA

'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper

[Tcash]

[kguarnotta]

Thanks Tcash - diagram is very helpful. I never know what to call all the individual parts.
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-Kevin
Lincoln, MA

'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper