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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:21 pm    Post subject: Please help identify an engine Reply with quote

I was scrounging for parts in an old school junk yard today and came across a rather old Beetle engine. I can post pictures as soon as I can if anybody is interested. It has stale air and my friend does not recognize some of the parts (he has a late 36HP from 1959).
The code below the generator stand (part of the case) is: 1-1230336
According to Rob and Dave's, it looks like a 1955, however, the leading 1- throws me off. Was VW whimsical with the application of the 1- prefix? I see the 1- listed for the years through 1947 on that list, but I looked up pictures and don't see the 1- on low number engines.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until 1/1/1956 VW began its engine numbering with a 1- (20- for buses)
From the samba archives http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php

Engine is from Nov 55.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to confirm - I agree with Darren above.

The -1- prefix is normal.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a gallery of photos where I found it.

Does that mean it is a 36HP model? It is not particularly valuable, right?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is a 36hp engine.
Yes, not very valuable, especially in that condition - is it frozen?

Someone with an 11/56 Beetle might want it to restore for their car, assuming that is possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The crank can only rotate a few degrees. The case looks okay in person. The tin has clearly seen better days, but I amazed that it is even still there. I also found what looked like a piece of the muffler. The yard owner joked that the car probably rotted away around it because he had no idea how the engine got to the rear (read: old) edge of the property. With the muffler having returned to the earth, the engine must have been covered in gunk to have survived this long. The yard is 60 years old.

As it is not valuable, I will try disassembly myself some day. I was afraid of breaking things if it were rare. Hopefully, there is something good to be salvaged for my $45. I will try electrolysis to see whether any of the steel can be saved. I might have to dip the whole engine just to get it apart safely.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, try not to damage the actual case.

I looked a little closer and it looks like it might have the earlier 54/55 fuel pump so you could sell that for more than $45 if this is true. Smile
Post a better photo if you want confirmation.

It also looks like it has a rear crank tin breast plate as I see the little flap there for a crank handle. That is weird since that is a Bus part. Maybe it was in a Bus at some point.

Post more pics if you want more info...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't tell from your pic either, but if the front of the pulley lip isn't rolled, it's an early (54-55) "thin lip" pulley. That's worth money too if you can get it off without bending it. The sleds for the heat exchangers could be early ones also...I'd try to save as much stuff as you can. It's getting really hard to find early 36hp stuff. And what you might think is junk, I could probably use. Laughing Honestly, I save ALL 36hp stuff...early and late.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't tell from your pic either, but if the front of the pulley lip isn't rolled, it's an early (54-55) "thin lip" pulley. That's worth money too if you can get it off without bending it. The sleds for the heat exchangers could be early ones also...I'd try to save as much stuff as you can. It's getting really hard to find early 36hp stuff. And what you might think is junk, I could probably use. Laughing Honestly, I save ALL 36hp stuff...early and late.


Thin-lip pulleys were used at least into April 1956.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to save your photos here so they are easier to reference.

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Good catch above on the pulley.
I think the top of it might be dented though?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the long thin structure immediately forward of the fan shroud on the starboard side? IS that early cooling regulation system

Mechanical wise, that's pretty much a train wreck.
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