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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:09 pm    Post subject: What years will a replacement fit? Reply with quote

Mine was cut, I could patch it but I am wondering what year buses would have the same replacement part? The circled piece that the shifter, e-brake, and throttle lever attach to. My bus is a July 1962 built bus. Thanks

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mid'59 (1959 Bus starting at chassis # 501707) - 1967
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 66-67 donor piece would require a matching front shift rod. It would be perfectly functional, but if you want stock, use a piece up to 65
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A 66-67 donor piece would require a matching front shift rod. It would be perfectly functional

And shift better. I was surprised how nice a 66-67 shifts compared to earlier busses.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the floor stampings actually different or is it the shift rod carrier/shifter that is? Just curious.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are the floor stampings actually different or is it the shift rod carrier/shifter that is? Just curious.

Just the shift rod carrier. 66-67 has a pin for the rod to pivot on.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are the floor stampings actually different or is it the shift rod carrier/shifter that is? Just curious.

Just the shift rod carrier. 66-67 has a pin for the rod to pivot on.


That's what I thought.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EmpiGT wrote:
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A 66-67 donor piece would require a matching front shift rod. It would be perfectly functional

And shift better. I was surprised how nice a 66-67 shifts compared to earlier busses.

I have not noticed this.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clara wrote:
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A 66-67 donor piece would require a matching front shift rod. It would be perfectly functional

And shift better. I was surprised how nice a 66-67 shifts compared to earlier busses.

I have not noticed this.


Hmmm, I don't remember my '66 shifting better.

My friend's '61 Bus shifts NICE. He replaced almost everything with brand new stuff and re-welded and reshaped the actual shift circle on the shifter to reduce all wear. It is super tight, I assume like it was when new.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone have one of these sections pictured above?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clara wrote:
EmpiGT wrote:
Krustybus wrote:
A 66-67 donor piece would require a matching front shift rod. It would be perfectly functional

And shift better. I was surprised how nice a 66-67 shifts compared to earlier busses.

I have not noticed this.


Hmmm, I don't remember my '66 shifting better.

My friend's '61 Bus shifts NICE. He replaced almost everything with brand new stuff and re-welded and reshaped the actual shift circle on the shifter to reduce all wear. It is super tight, I assume like it was when new.

In a 67 with all good bushings you can really tell a difference, easier to get in reverse and just feels less sloppy. that or all the earlier busses have had a bad bushing somewhere, But I know of one early I replaced all of the couplers and guide bushings and it was still not as good as a 67 I had with with unknown age couplers and bushings.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have noticed a big difference between a bus with sloppy bushings and after it was serviced with new bushings and polished & lubed tube, but not between 66/67 and other years.

As Everett said, even the condition of the shift stick comes into play. When that is worn enough, you can even shift into reverse w/o pressing down.
And the condition of the nose cone bushings.
And the wear of the pieces in the shift selector area of the transmission.
And whether the front shift rod has been messed up by someone who was unskilled at removing the front shift coupler.

It must have just been that the other pieces were in good order in your 66/67, and the pre 66 bus you are thinking of had worn pieces.

Sometimes I have taken the shift rod out to replace bushings and found not so much wear.
And sometimes it is really worn.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I can add on opinion, here,

I have a '65 that's all refreshed and a '67 that I just refreshed. The '67 with the pin and the shorter throw feels a lot better than the '65 style but both are very clean feeling. This is including the trans axles having great syncros, detents, bushings, and all tight mounts and couplers.

In other words, the way VW built them when new is very decent but I feel that the '67 style was a marked improvement.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the 2nd opinion in favor of 66-67 shifter. To me it almost feels like it has a short throw shifter kit on it compared to early busses.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for the 2nd opinion in favor of 66-67 shifter. To me it almost feels like it has a short throw shifter kit on it compared to early busses.


Kinda makes sense. The shifter is slightly longer below the floor than earlier ones.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krustybus wrote:
Kinda makes sense. The shifter is slightly longer below the floor than earlier ones.


And it doesn't have that anti-chatter plastic ring with the spring clip compressing it around the shift rod (which is an excellent system improvement from the "M" spring style).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I replaced the same in a 61 bus.

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