Red Light Cameras ......... GONE!!!

djkeev

Well, NJ may have more than it's share of issues to deal with but one thing that went right?

Red Light cameras are gone! Laughing

(Not that I ever had a ticket from one)

http://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/201.../20501891/

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Erik G · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:49 pm Post subject:

When we got rid of ours, the first couple of months showed a dramatic increase in red light accidents, and strangely enough, cops writing red light tickets. Watch out for jackasses
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drscope · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:55 pm Post subject:

The link won't load for me so I can't read the attached article.

Red light cameras wouldn't be so bad if they actually set them up to catch people who ran the red in place of squeezing more money out of the average motorist.

In a lot of locations they shortened the yellow time when the cameras were installed so they could catch more people running the red.

The big excuse for the cameras was that it was supposed to make the intersections safer. That could have been done by extending the yellow time, or having a delay after red before the other traffic gets the green. But that wouldn't have generated income.

From personal experience I hate them. They simply add more stress to an already overstressed situation and they don't take into consideration any circumstances like how close other traffic may be following, or what objects you have in your vehicle, or even the weather and road conditions. It's not always safe to stop.
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djkeev · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:00 pm Post subject:

Doc, a short quote from the linked article.........

"As of Tuesday, there were 24 towns and 73 intersections in total with red-light cameras in New Jersey, Schapiro said.

In a statement on his website Tuesday, state Assemblyman Declan O'Scanlon, R-Monmouth, said this was a great day for motorists in New Jersey. O'Scanlon has been perhaps the most tenacious critic of the cameras in the entire state Legislature.

"The N.J. Department of Transportation's five-year pilot program thankfully comes to an end today and has left the public with no doubt that these machines are only about revenue, not safety," O'Scanlon wrote. "Additionally, New Jersey has the great honor of being the FIRST state in the United States to throw out the cameras en masse! Many individual municipalities have begun rejecting cameras but New Jersey is the first state entity to give these ATMs (automated taxing machines) the boot."
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79SuperVert · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:03 pm Post subject:

I'm glad they are gone. They increased my anxiety level dramatically when approaching those intersections, not knowing when the light was going to turn yellow, and worrying whether I had enough time to get through.

But the problem of people running red lights is still just as bad as ever. There's nothing to do but look both ways before entering an intersection even if the light is green. I've stopped timing lights to get there just as it turns green and drive through, because the chances of someone running the red are higher than ever.

Like DrScope said above, maybe if those traffic light cameras had recorded you entering the intersection after the light turned red, they would have been much more useful.
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Malokin Martin · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:07 pm Post subject:

79SuperVert · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject:

Almost all the traffic lights everywhere here pause after the red before turning the other direction green. This is one reason why people run the red here. They know they still have a couple of seconds after their light turns red before the other traffic reacts to their green and starts to move.
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VWCOOL · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject:

wow...dumb move

People will die in in the coming weeks

Glenn · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject:

Too bad there aren't any red lights on the GW Bridge.
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KTPhil · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject:

wythac · Samba Member Joined: August 02, 2004 Posts: 2791

While touted as a safety measure to the public, the companies that sell this technology to the police tout its ability to generate revenue.

The optimist in me would like to believe that the former is the reason that most municipalities buy this technology, but my pessimism leads me to believe that the latter is the reason why we have so many of these in our communities now.

modok · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject:

If they had red light cameras in LESS busy intersections then they would have some evidence of who is at fault when somebody runs a red and hits something.

No lack of witnesses? then no need for a camera, and who would run a red in front of an audience anyhow??

Must be about the money

Glenn · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject:

In my county they put a camera and the local town said its in their jurisdiction and they would get the fines, so the county removed it.

When "Sandy" hit and knocked the cameras out for a week or so, the county complained about the money they were loosing.

It was always about the money.
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I think the issue out here was twofold. First, your constitutional right to face your accuser. Can't do that with a camera. Second, the camera companies were getting a slice of the pie, so they were photoing people who really hadn't run the light, even people turning right. Classic case of a conflict of interest. A lot of talk apparently about how the fines out here now can't be enforced. It's pretty much died down out here as far as I can tell.

drscope · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject:

Speed cameras are another problematic area and often just a revenue generating machine. Once you know where they are you just slow down for half a block and then get right back up to speed.

Baltimore city had so many problems with their program they ended up having to scrap the hole thing.

In my county they only put roaming speed cameras up in construction zones. And they put up jersey wall and a port-a-pot right where the car with the camera sits, So if you make the trip occasionally you know where the cameras will be. Just keep an eye open for the port-a-pot and slow down when you see it.

The stationary cameras are in the school zones. My biggest beef is that they have cameras near the high school at the bottom of a long hill, but not at the elementary school where the road is flat. High school kids should know better then to step off the curb without looking, and if not, it's probably best they be removed from the gene pool. But 6 and 7 year old kids don't have that sort of sense yet.
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I've seen the tickets issued to some of our fleet vehicles. Less money than you think goes to your community. The companies set these up at their cost and give the city a cut for sanctioning the install and providing a local review procedure. I don't recall exactly, but I think the government body gets less than a third, the rest of the exorbitant fee goes to the red light cam company, usually in another state.

Its basically a government sanctioned private tax assessment by a monopoly, with the government getting a cut of hush money. Its The American Way!

Fiatdude · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:59 pm Post subject:

The city of Yucaipa installed one at the one main intersection here in town -- and after a year in service the revenue wasn't at the level to break even with the minimum fees charge by the company, so it was shut down and removed.....

I got a ticket mailed to me from this camera -- -- I had entered the intersection .002 second after it had went red -- went to court, and the supervising officer dismissed the charges without me even seeing the judge
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gt1953 · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:46 am Post subject:

They had them here as well as the photo radar traps. All were posted to let drivers know. Well the contract was coming for renewal and City Council wanted to get the company to move the photo radar traps to the red light intersextions, oops.
The company said it would not be cost effctive for them. Council did not renew the contract. They are all gone.
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79SuperVert · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject:

My Tom Tom would beep when approaching an intersection with a red light camera. Nice feature.
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raygreenwood · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:27 pm Post subject:

Having traveled widely and lived in a lot of medium and big cities.....I have found that the public data in most cities shows that the MOST dollars generated by red light cameras are actually from nailing drivers who turn right on red.

They do this because in 90% of all places...you are required to come to a FULL stop before turning right on a red. The cameras are calibrated to nab those who dont come to a full stop.....which I think is a stupid way to generate money. Ray


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