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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:03 am Post subject: I really need some help |
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I purchased a Ghia and had it delivered. It wouldn't start when we tried to get it off the truck, so we pushed it off. A few days later after charging the battery, I started the motor only to hear some strange noises and back fires after a few seconds of the motor running. Turning the motor off to have a look, I saw a spark plug laying in the engine bay still connected to the spark plug wire. It had a badly rusted helicoil on it. I pulled the motor at the end of the summer and it sat in the garage until the other day.
The plan was to pull the single port head and either have it fixed ( if possible) or buy another one. I began removing the head only to find one of the pistons was still engaged with the head. Its been more then a few years since I've worked on a air cooled motor. For love or money I could not turn the pulley to move the piston. I even put a wrench on the nut and nothing. The engine seems to have no end play, the pulley didn't move in or out either. Finally I got a huge screw driver and moved the flywheel that freed up the engine and I could now turn the motor freely using my hand on the pulley. The head seemed stuck after removing the rockers and all the nuts holding the head on. One of the cylinder shelves also was stuck or rusted onto the head. I tried to pry it off gently with a screw driver and even banged it with a rubber hammer, nothing. How do I get the cylinder off, or should I just replace the head and the cylinder & pistons? If so I need some direction.
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Axitech Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2011 Posts: 1265 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Where are you in Bucks County? I'm in Warminster. It's a little bit busy right now with Christmas and most of my team on vacation, but I might be able to get free sometime today to look at it. Four eyes is always better than two. Might be not as bad as it sounds. _________________ He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Axitech wrote: |
Where are you in Bucks County? I'm in Warminster. It's a little bit busy right now with Christmas and most of my team on vacation, but I might be able to get free sometime today to look at it. Four eyes is always better than two. Might be not as bad as it sounds. |
Thank you very much. I'm in Revere along 611, let me know with xmas I'll be in and out all day. I'll send you a pm. |
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MacLeod Willy Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2014 Posts: 933 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:43 am Post subject: head |
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I think stand it up, fill the chamber with oil and acetone for a day and see what happens. The cyl is likely pitted, but hope fore the best.
Good luck |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:33 am Post subject: Re: head |
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MacLeod Willy wrote: |
I think stand it up, fill the chamber with oil and acetone for a day and see what happens. The cyl is likely pitted, but hope fore the best.
Good luck |
Note to self, don't use PB Blaster in the basement, she gets pissed when that smell comes into the house ...
Another note, what people say about the empi engine bench stand is true. I couldn't get the yoke to sit flush against the engine, so we just sat the engine on a work table. |
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bugguy076 Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2007 Posts: 1068 Location: Dover, PA.
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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If soaking doesn't work, heat around the cylinder on the head with a propane torch and gently tap on the cylinder with a rubber hammer. _________________ Grubby Fingers Racing
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Howard 111 Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2005 Posts: 1827 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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No good advice for you but to wish you good luck. I am a fellow Ghia owner, and if possible, I would ask you to post a picture of your Ghia. I've had 4 Ghias, but my current one is my last. I love Ghias! _________________ 1973 Karmann Ghia
Turbocharged, Fuel Injected
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=531270 |
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MacLeod Willy Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2014 Posts: 933 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: head |
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CiderGuy wrote: |
MacLeod Willy wrote: |
I think stand it up, fill the chamber with oil and acetone for a day and see what happens. The cyl is likely pitted, but hope fore the best.
Good luck |
Note to self, don't use PB Blaster in the basement, she gets pissed when that smell comes into the house ...
Another note, what people say about the empi engine bench stand is true. I couldn't get the yoke to sit flush against the engine, so we just sat the engine on a work table. |
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The Christmas tree should drown out the smell of PB Blaster |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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So here is is more then two months later, life got in the way. The engine has been stored in the dry basement of my home. The head I removed was cracked and had that hili-coil already in it, so I purchased new cylinders and pistons along with a set of new stock heads.
I'm not sure if I now have a bigger problem or not. I want to remove the pistons from the one side of the engine. The head is still on the opposite side. When I went to move the pulley so that I could remove the pistons to remove the clips holding the piston in place, the pulley refuses to turn. I hope this is something I've over looked and not a larger problem with this damn car for me. Help !
This first happened when I first tried to remove the head from the engine.
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Cars Currently Owned:
1970 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe - Project car for sale
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (Body off restoration)
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8700 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Q-Dog wrote: |
Pull the other head off and see what you have. |
Would there still be compression with one head already off? I'll pull the head tomorrow. What am I looking for? _________________ ----------------------
Cars Currently Owned:
1970 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe - Project car for sale
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (Body off restoration)
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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buy a NEW engine.simple and fast, and you go have fun. new as in new.not rebuilt crap. |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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mark tucker wrote: |
buy a NEW engine.simple and fast, and you go have fun. new as in new.not rebuilt crap. |
I don't have that kind of money to spend and was lied to when I bought this car. I have to much money already in it that I'll never get back. I want to fix the engine and get rid of it. _________________ ----------------------
Cars Currently Owned:
1970 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe - Project car for sale
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (Body off restoration)
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SoCalJes Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2011 Posts: 1093 Location: Broward, FL
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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It looks like that cylinder was socking in water for while. I would be wondering what the condition on the cam and crank bearings are. Did you see water in the oil? _________________ Jesse
71 Ghia
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Just because it didn't come that way, doesn't mean it shouldn't have. |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8700 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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CiderGuy wrote: |
Q-Dog wrote: |
Pull the other head off and see what you have. |
Would there still be compression with one head already off? I'll pull the head tomorrow. What am I looking for? |
Since one side had obvious water in it, I would be looking for the same thing on the other side ... and frozen rings. It doesn't matter, it all has to come off anyway. You are replacing pistons, cylinders and heads anyway, right? _________________ Brian
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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SoCalJes wrote: |
It looks like that cylinder was socking in water for while. I would be wondering what the condition on the cam and crank bearings are. Did you see water in the oil? |
I didn't see any water at all. I never even drained the oil .... I won't be doing that again.
The pistons have also been exposed to the air inside my basement for 2 months. So maybe that's why you're seeing that?
The pulley wouldn't move when I first began to remove the head at that time. We freed it up and it moved easy, now its stuck again. _________________ ----------------------
Cars Currently Owned:
1970 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe - Project car for sale
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (Body off restoration)
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Q-Dog wrote: |
CiderGuy wrote: |
Q-Dog wrote: |
Pull the other head off and see what you have. |
Would there still be compression with one head already off? I'll pull the head tomorrow. What am I looking for? |
Since one side had obvious water in it, I would be looking for the same thing on the other side ... and frozen rings. It doesn't matter, it all has to come off anyway. You are replacing pistons, cylinders and heads anyway, right? |
Yes I bought new cylinders, pistons, rings, heads and bearings. Planning on at least rebuilding the top half of the motor. _________________ ----------------------
Cars Currently Owned:
1970 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe - Project car for sale
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (Body off restoration)
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SoCalJes Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2011 Posts: 1093 Location: Broward, FL
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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CiderGuy wrote: |
I never even drained the oil .... . |
Well be careful because if that water seeped into the case you might have water damage in the bearings and maybe even in the oil galleries in the case. Crud in oil galleries = no oil and no lubrication.
Once you take the other head and pistons off it still doesn't spin freely you are going to need to split it open and see what you have. _________________ Jesse
71 Ghia
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rosevillain Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2005 Posts: 1290 Location: roseville, ca
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:04 am Post subject: |
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If you pulled the distributor, the distributor drive gear can lift and jam, causing the crank to not turn. Try lightly tapping the drive gear back down the hole as you try to spin the crank backwards. |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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rosevillain wrote: |
If you pulled the distributor, the distributor drive gear can lift and jam, causing the crank to not turn. Try lightly tapping the drive gear back down the hole as you try to spin the crank backwards. |
I haven't touch the distributor as of yet, but I will check and see if what you suggest has happened. Thanks. _________________ ----------------------
Cars Currently Owned:
1970 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe - Project car for sale
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (Body off restoration)
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