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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:03 am    Post subject: I really need some help Reply with quote

I purchased a Ghia and had it delivered. It wouldn't start when we tried to get it off the truck, so we pushed it off. A few days later after charging the battery, I started the motor only to hear some strange noises and back fires after a few seconds of the motor running. Turning the motor off to have a look, I saw a spark plug laying in the engine bay still connected to the spark plug wire. It had a badly rusted helicoil on it. I pulled the motor at the end of the summer and it sat in the garage until the other day.

The plan was to pull the single port head and either have it fixed ( if possible) or buy another one. I began removing the head only to find one of the pistons was still engaged with the head. Its been more then a few years since I've worked on a air cooled motor. For love or money I could not turn the pulley to move the piston. I even put a wrench on the nut and nothing. The engine seems to have no end play, the pulley didn't move in or out either. Finally I got a huge screw driver and moved the flywheel that freed up the engine and I could now turn the motor freely using my hand on the pulley. The head seemed stuck after removing the rockers and all the nuts holding the head on. One of the cylinder shelves also was stuck or rusted onto the head. I tried to pry it off gently with a screw driver and even banged it with a rubber hammer, nothing. How do I get the cylinder off, or should I just replace the head and the cylinder & pistons? If so I need some direction.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you in Bucks County? I'm in Warminster. It's a little bit busy right now with Christmas and most of my team on vacation, but I might be able to get free sometime today to look at it. Four eyes is always better than two. Might be not as bad as it sounds.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Axitech wrote:
Where are you in Bucks County? I'm in Warminster. It's a little bit busy right now with Christmas and most of my team on vacation, but I might be able to get free sometime today to look at it. Four eyes is always better than two. Might be not as bad as it sounds.


Thank you very much. I'm in Revere along 611, let me know with xmas I'll be in and out all day. I'll send you a pm.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:43 am    Post subject: head Reply with quote

I think stand it up, fill the chamber with oil and acetone for a day and see what happens. The cyl is likely pitted, but hope fore the best.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: head Reply with quote

MacLeod Willy wrote:
I think stand it up, fill the chamber with oil and acetone for a day and see what happens. The cyl is likely pitted, but hope fore the best.
Good luck


Note to self, don't use PB Blaster in the basement, she gets pissed when that smell comes into the house ...

Another note, what people say about the empi engine bench stand is true. I couldn't get the yoke to sit flush against the engine, so we just sat the engine on a work table.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If soaking doesn't work, heat around the cylinder on the head with a propane torch and gently tap on the cylinder with a rubber hammer.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No good advice for you but to wish you good luck. I am a fellow Ghia owner, and if possible, I would ask you to post a picture of your Ghia. I've had 4 Ghias, but my current one is my last. I love Ghias! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: head Reply with quote

CiderGuy wrote:
MacLeod Willy wrote:
I think stand it up, fill the chamber with oil and acetone for a day and see what happens. The cyl is likely pitted, but hope fore the best.
Good luck


Note to self, don't use PB Blaster in the basement, she gets pissed when that smell comes into the house ...

Another note, what people say about the empi engine bench stand is true. I couldn't get the yoke to sit flush against the engine, so we just sat the engine on a work table.
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The Christmas tree should drown out the smell of PB Blaster Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So here is is more then two months later, life got in the way. The engine has been stored in the dry basement of my home. The head I removed was cracked and had that hili-coil already in it, so I purchased new cylinders and pistons along with a set of new stock heads.

I'm not sure if I now have a bigger problem or not. I want to remove the pistons from the one side of the engine. The head is still on the opposite side. When I went to move the pulley so that I could remove the pistons to remove the clips holding the piston in place, the pulley refuses to turn. I hope this is something I've over looked and not a larger problem with this damn car for me. Help !
This first happened when I first tried to remove the head from the engine.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pull the other head off and see what you have.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pull the other head off and see what you have.

Would there still be compression with one head already off? I'll pull the head tomorrow. What am I looking for?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buy a NEW engine.simple and fast, and you go have fun. new as in new.not rebuilt crap.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark tucker wrote:
buy a NEW engine.simple and fast, and you go have fun. new as in new.not rebuilt crap.


I don't have that kind of money to spend and was lied to when I bought this car. I have to much money already in it that I'll never get back. I want to fix the engine and get rid of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like that cylinder was socking in water for while. I would be wondering what the condition on the cam and crank bearings are. Did you see water in the oil?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CiderGuy wrote:
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Pull the other head off and see what you have.

Would there still be compression with one head already off? I'll pull the head tomorrow. What am I looking for?

Since one side had obvious water in it, I would be looking for the same thing on the other side ... and frozen rings. It doesn't matter, it all has to come off anyway. You are replacing pistons, cylinders and heads anyway, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoCalJes wrote:
It looks like that cylinder was socking in water for while. I would be wondering what the condition on the cam and crank bearings are. Did you see water in the oil?


I didn't see any water at all. I never even drained the oil .... I won't be doing that again.

The pistons have also been exposed to the air inside my basement for 2 months. So maybe that's why you're seeing that?

The pulley wouldn't move when I first began to remove the head at that time. We freed it up and it moved easy, now its stuck again.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pull the other head off and see what you have.

Would there still be compression with one head already off? I'll pull the head tomorrow. What am I looking for?

Since one side had obvious water in it, I would be looking for the same thing on the other side ... and frozen rings. It doesn't matter, it all has to come off anyway. You are replacing pistons, cylinders and heads anyway, right?

Yes I bought new cylinders, pistons, rings, heads and bearings. Planning on at least rebuilding the top half of the motor.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I never even drained the oil .... .


Well be careful because if that water seeped into the case you might have water damage in the bearings and maybe even in the oil galleries in the case. Crud in oil galleries = no oil and no lubrication.

Once you take the other head and pistons off it still doesn't spin freely you are going to need to split it open and see what you have.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you pulled the distributor, the distributor drive gear can lift and jam, causing the crank to not turn. Try lightly tapping the drive gear back down the hole as you try to spin the crank backwards.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rosevillain wrote:
If you pulled the distributor, the distributor drive gear can lift and jam, causing the crank to not turn. Try lightly tapping the drive gear back down the hole as you try to spin the crank backwards.


I haven't touch the distributor as of yet, but I will check and see if what you suggest has happened. Thanks.
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