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ToughBug
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Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania
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 Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: Rusty east-coast car support group |
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Have an east coast car? Got rust? Do you buy PB Blaster, rust oleum, and sheet metal in bulk? Me too.
This week I found three new areas of rust and sheared off 3 of 6 spindle bolts and 2 of 6 bolts holding the engine chrome on. My new torquemeister didn't even budge the rear wheel nut. Actually broke a craftsman socketwrench on that one! And ran out of rust converter. The FedEx guy asked "so what is POR15 anyway? It's heavy." Gotta laugh.
Thought it might be helpful to share general strategies for beating the rust. Tools you really need. Strategies for finding and killing the rust, breaking things loose without, you know, actually breaking things. Even when to say when, and get professional help (in any sense of the word) or go shopping for a better chassis, body, etc.
What's your favorite tool against rust? Media blaster? Grinder? Sander? Acid? Base?
Bonus points for photos of your "most rusty" part.
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miller0358
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:19 pm Post subject: rust |
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| I always have the best luck on rusty bolts with PB Blaster and heat. If you take your time, works every time. Jeff |
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toddb_67
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76VDubya
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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A torch and penetrating oil work great for breaking things loose, as well a sharp tap with a hammer.
For cleaning surfaces and removing scale, a wire wheel, or roloc disc works great.
Rustoleum Rust Performer works great for converting and neutralizing rust.
Evapo-Rust is great for completely de-rusting parts. |
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Some light surface rust on the tunnel bottom
Typical rust in the forward rear wheel well/package tray area
Some slight C-pillar "Death Foam" rust
PB Blaster and a torch if you can get it apart, cutting it out and replacing with solid steel if you can't.
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far rider 
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Ditto on just about everything said.
I'm not a fan of POR15. hasn't worked for me in the past. Ive been using Masterseries and prefer it
Cutting = mostly use a 4" grinder w/ metal cutting disc. A Dremel is very handy when fitting replacement pieces into place.
For frozen hinge pins I've had luck just soaking the area for a week or two. Give it a squirt of PB blaster and/or home brew of acetone and automatic transmission fluid several times a day (Im in no rush and I know my project has a while to go).
But of course heat and air hammer work well too.
Rust just brings another dimension of time, money and work to a restoration. It sucks.
Several years a go when bugs and buses were scattered all over the place I found a bug from Alabama. No rust. what a pleasure to turn every nut and bolt on that car with no issues.
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DWP
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:14 am Post subject: |
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For getting bolts off get a set of these
Craftsman 10 pc. Impact Grade Bolt-Out™ Damaged Bolt/Nut Remover
22 ReviewsDescriptionSpecifications
Description Item # 00952165000P Model # 52165
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ToughBug
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Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania
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Ya'll are restoring my faith in my restoration! My rusty parts look just like yours. This really helps me in getting the right tools and products. Keep them coming!
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Weezle
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67 Sunroof
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Agreed. Looking at your pictures makes me feel much better about my bug.
Your post came along at a great time.
Gives me encouragement which I really needed!! |
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toms64
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Rust is the east coast "patina"  Well I see I'm in good company! Tried the acetone tranny fluid mix on some 44 jeep parts. Works good but be patient....pb blaster is still the best I've used but I just couldn't stand the smell anymore when working indoors! Is it me or does that stuff smell like liquid mothballs??!!  Has anyone tried the small panel saws like HF sells? My 64 bug is gonna need a front nose job and the panel saw looked good for that ..... |
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far rider
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| Whose got a list of links to builds that required heater channel replavement? That's next on my list. |
If you haven't already, Just do a search in this forum for "heater channel replacement", there's plenty.
I would suggest 1. Take plenty of measurements 2. Weld in temporary reinforcements before removing original channels
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76VDubya
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| pb blaster is still the best I've used but I just couldn't stand the smell anymore when working indoors! Is it me or does that stuff smell like liquid mothballs??!! |
That stuff is messy, and has a strong odor, but it works pretty good. Liquid Wrench (penetrating oil) smells almost exactly the same. Both give me a headache after using them.  |
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Fahrbomb
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theKbStockpiler
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Whisky and denial work for me. 
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Mike Fisher
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Don't take the body off the pan, at least for now. A wire wheel & a spot sand blaster will get it clean enough to see what needs patching. A grinder & sawzall will handle all the cutting/grinding. Make your own patches when possible.
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Fahrbomb
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| Thanks for the info Mike Fisher. |
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Mike Fisher
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Dr OnHolliday
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Pick the response that is most useful to you:
1. Is this a 12-step group?
2. Why are you destroying the patina?
3. Why has no one advocated wadded newspaper and bondo?
(That's supposed to be humor. You'll some form of humor as you proceed)
I suppose you all know about Eastwood Co. As it turns out, the tools they sell are available from the actual manufacturers (or maybe Harbor Fright)...but if you are starting sheetmetal work may be educational to peruse their website. Its actually very inspiring to see what can be accomplished with a sandbag and mallets, or a shrinking disc...
Best of luck to you all.
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