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 Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:48 am Post subject: South African 1960. Odd or not. |
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Hi guys, I've started looking for a bug for the 15yr old monster I've created. She wants an early bug, I want her to have a useable every day bug.
I've been offered a 59/60 SA car. It needs to be RHD as I'm in Wales UK.
This bug is meant to be totally original with non Syncro first gear box. It's also has non wind up windows with no evidence of the door panels having winders fitted. It has seat belts and what looks like a 40hp engine but with the early tin wear.
Anyone familiar with SA cars that can shed any light on it??
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Stuart Maingot
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| South Africa? possibly. |
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I'll have to start calling mine a 63 PC ..  ...Pinellas county 
On a Serious note ; there was a thread a couple of weeks ago that gave a few good reasons that you shouldn't put a new inexperienced driver in a bug .
Especially a standard shift .
note ; most new fleet 18 wheel tractor trailers are automatics... WHY ? ....the insurance companies proved new drivers get in less accidents if they aren't distracted by the shifting.....
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| grandpa pete wrote: |
On a Serious note ; there was a thread a couple of weeks ago that gave a few good reasons that you shouldn't put a new inexperienced driver in a bug .
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Grandpa pete, that's not a problem. They make new kids everyday!
I'm sure Whales isn't too different from the U.S. as far as drivers with their heads up their ass and big trucks and SUV's. I'm one of those people who don't like the idea of putting your kids in an old VW.
And for all you folks who think they have good driving skills and use their head, take a few minutes to picture your kid tooling along in their classic bug doing everything correct while you watch these videos. How many innocent proper drivers doing everything correct had their day ruined through no fault of their own? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsQ-obL1Z4
But back to the car in question, no roll up windows? I'd like to see some pictures of that!
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offroad.
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In the uk you aren't allowed to drive a stick shift unless you pass your test in one. Most people use stick in the uk. Automatic cars are only really used by drivers who can't master a stick shift, elderly or less able bodied or lazy people. She will be more than capable of useing a bug by the time she gets her licence and she can get the speed thing out of her system in my mk2 escort rally car.
Back to these windows. Am I right in thinking all bugs were produced with wind ups. Be good to hear from someone from South Africa.
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The had manual windows. Manual door locks too.
Dr. Scope I never knew the Russian Vodka was that good. Moral of the story is Trucks always win.
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[quote="drscope doing everything correct had their day ruined through no fault of their own? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsQ-obL1Z4
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I don't recall ever seeing a bug that came from the factory without wind up windows. The only cars I've seen without them were race cars that had lightweight plastic sliders installed.
Hope you can post a few pics!
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| The pics don't show much other than there is no winder and no hole where the winder should be. I'll see if I can upload a pic. |
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I imported an original RHD South African 1960 Beetle a few years ago. The current owner has it for sale in South Wales at the moment....
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1632626
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: South African 1960. Odd or not. |
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Hi guys, I've started looking for a bug for the 15yr old monster I've created. She wants an early bug, I want her to have a useable every day bug.
I've been offered a 59/60 SA car. It needs to be RHD as I'm in Wales UK.
This bug is meant to be totally original with non Syncro first gear box. It's also has non wind up windows with no evidence of the door panels having winders fitted. It has seat belts and what looks like a 40hp engine but with the early tin wear.
Anyone familiar with SA cars that can shed any light on it??
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Lee. SA is South Australia, as well as South Africa, so you do need to be a bit more specific.
Sth Africa bugs were fairly similar to Aussie bugs. I learned to drive in a 60 bug here in Aus.
Last year of the semaphores (called Trafficators here in Aus).
Seatbelt mounts were not fitted to any bug before 1962, then they were installed in all bugs (though the actual seat belts were only fitted where the country car rules required it), so those seat belts would be added afterwards. Hopefully the mounting points are sufficiently strong (possible problem with meeting Brit design rules).
If the car was built after 1 Aug 1960 it could have the 40hp engine - they started with engine 5,000,001 on that date, but the 36hp engine still continued to the 64 model year.
It should have window winders.
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offroad.
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Thanks guys. Sorry SA in this instance is indeed South Africa. Window sure are an odd one. I should check the blue bug out really as it's on my doorstep but over my budget for a std car  |
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Karly
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the interior doesn't look factory to me so perhaps it was installed without window winders? I would say its not completely og.
I've got a '60 which was my first car too, it suited the kind of driving I did (no freeways). It's still 6v which I would recommend upgrading for your daughter (brighter lights, radio!). I also installed seat belts in the front and rear for a little bit of safety 
I didn't think they had grab handle on the dash too unless that is a SA thing.
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| So do the windows go up and down at all? If so how do they work? |
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The Volkswagens of the World book by Simon Glen has a few tidbits on early SA Beetles...
-They started by building CKD Split window kits at Uitenhage as early as 1951.
-In 1956 VW took majority control of the operation to oversee operations.
-The change over from CKD kits to local manufacture was gradual, and they did use SA iron ore and steel, but still imported aluminum for the engine castings.
-They celebrated their 100,000 VW Beetle being built at that factory in 1963, so not many of them made or that could still be around.
That said, probably not too many around to compare it to, nor anyone with real definitive reference info on them.
But, we can critic pictures. Is it this one by chance?
http://www.vwbcsa.co.za/index.php?page=item&id=13
It's obvious by the small details that this car has been reconditioned and is no longer in stock configuration, but most important to your question is that the interior has been redone. I'd say to be 100% sure you would have to remove the replacement door cards/panels and inspect the door frame to see how the window glass is fixed.
But in the end, we all know that SA is a subtropical climate, so it's very doubtful that they built them with fixed side windows 
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