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Narrow minded rail Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2014 Posts: 51 Location: Winston ga
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:32 pm Post subject: Floor for a rail |
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2 questions for this awesome group
What do you use for the floor on your rail ?
How did you attach it? Pictures if possible !
THANKS IN ADVANCE |
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I Ride Sand Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2012 Posts: 567 Location: utah
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Floor for a rail |
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Narrow minded rail wrote: |
2 questions for this awesome group
What do you use for the floor on your rail ?
How did you attach it? Pictures if possible !
THANKS IN ADVANCE |
my buddy runs expanded metal, his is held in by tabs welded to the frame with a backing strap welded to the expanded metal around the entire perimeter, and mine uses 12 gauge aluminum, held in by tabs welded to the frame.
And thats pretty much par for the course. i would say at least 95% of buggies run one of those two. they both have advantages and weaknesses. expanded metal lets water, sand, and small rocks through it, both moving up towards you as well as back down through. but you can see the ground, which is cool and can be helpful at times. aluminum offers a bit more splash protection. you will still get soaked, just not from the bottom. it keeps rocks and crap on the floor, and you can't see though it. however it is more solid as well as looks nicer IMO.
pick your poison. on my new rail i'm going aluminum sheet just because i have it already. |
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Vanapplebomb Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 5410 Location: Holland, MI
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:25 am Post subject: |
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1/8" diamond tread aluminum works very well. A little $$, but worth it in my opinion. I like to have something solid between me and the ground. Typically you would bolt it onto the bottom of the frame. The bolts run though tabs welded to the frame. Get a large sheet of scrap cardboard ~ 4x8 feet from your local auto glass shop. Trace the bottom of your frame out onto the cardboard and trim it down so that it fits nicely. Take it to your local metal yard and have them shear a plate of 1/8in aluminum diamond tread plate to match your cardboard template. Most shops charge 10-20 bucks to lop off the sides for you. It also cuts well with an angle grinder and some 1/16in cut off wheels if you prefer to do it yourself. Check to see that the aluminum tread plate matches your frame. chances are it needs a little here or there trimmed up to fit perfectly. Then drill your holes so they line up with the tabs welded onto your frame. The aluminum drills like butter. Then just bolt it up with some 3/8 inch bolts and lock nuts and you should be good to go. _________________ 1800 Type 4 Berrien 295
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Narrow minded rail Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2014 Posts: 51 Location: Winston ga
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies!!!
Does anybody have pics of the tabs? I know a stupid question but I seem to over complicate things and build way more than it needs. I guess it is the machinists in me. !!! |
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cbeck Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 2495 Location: high ridge, mo
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, no tab pictures. Look for fabrication supplies. I spaced my floor down about 1/2 inch for water to roll off my aluminum floor. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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A little space between solid floor and frame rail doesn't hurt...
Need mounting tabs....
http://www.aa-mfg.com/tabs/flat-tabs
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
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ORANGECRUSHer Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: West Coast (Michigan's)
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I used 1/4" aluminum diamond plate (only because I just happened to get some free from a friend). It works awesome.
To mount the floor first pick up quite a few feet of 1"X1" light angle iron; 1/8" thick would be plenty. Chop it down to pieces that you can fit a bolt and washer on, I chose to use 5/16" SS bolts, so maybe 1" to 1-1/2" wide pieces. It might be easier to mark out each piece and before cutting drill holes centered in each marked tab for your bolts down one side of the angle. Then chop it down. These will be your mounting tabs.
Now take your sheeting or expanded metal and slide it under the frame then with jacks hoist it firmly against the bottom and trace the floor. Remove the piece and cut. Most will take at least two 4'X8' sheets to complete.
Now that the sheeting is cut you are ready to attach the mounting tabs to the frame. Before I repositioned the floor up against the frame I took lengths of truck topper foam, a grey one sided adhesive 1/4" thick closed cell foam about 1-1/2" wide, and put it under the frame tubes then hoisted the floor back up against the bottom of the frame. This will give the floor just enough space for water and dirt/sand to escape without having a floor that is dangling off tabs under the frame. It will still be solidly against the frame except in strategic spots where you decide not to place the foam making holes between the tubing and the floor. This foam also won't hold water and rot your frame. An added bonus is that the floor will be insulated against rattling noises.
Now that the floor is positioned where you want it you just take the tabs you made and set them on the floor and slide one side of the angle against the tube and tack it on either side where the tube hits the vertical side of the "L" shaped tab. Spread them out getting one in every corner and in between without leaving so much space that the sheeting can flex much. Thinner flooring will require less space between tabs.
After you get them all tacked you can remove the floor one more time and finish welding them to the tubes after which you replace the floor and then drill through the holes in the tabs down into the floor and insert your bolts as you go around.
If your smart you'll stick your bolts up through the bottom so you just have the heads underneath and no bolts grabbing the ground as you drive bye. _________________ Brian H.
I may not know everything,but I will try to help if I can
OrangeCrushER Berrien Warrior 2.4L Quad4
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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1/4" thick is huge. I have 1/16" (16 ga) 6061 T6 sheet for the floor under my old HiJumper you see in my avatar. It has lasted well over 30 years of racing and play. The avatar pic was 1983 and it still has the same floor panel. Nothing has ever joined me or torn through. I use 1/8" 6061 or aluminum diamond plate for skidplates under the front and under the trans and engine.
If you use a softer aluminum such as 5052 or 3003 it would be rather weak. 1/16" diamond plate would be fine. It's quite tough.
You could make tabs to mount the floor sheet out of 1" x 1/8" angle iron. Cut pieces 1" long and drill a hole for a bolt in the middle of the leg to be flat to the floor. Weld the vertical leg of the angle stock to the sides of the bottom frame tubes. I use 5/16" x 1" carriage bolts from below. The nuts pull the square part of the bolt under the head into the aluminum so they hold pretty well from turning. The smooth heads let things slide by without snagging and tearing up the heads of the bolts. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
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