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mreuter Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2008 Posts: 392 Location: oakland
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I did some pictures at sunset at 6PM but they are very bright so I have to change the aperture to show how it really looks:
Very low aperture:
Standard picture setting (iphone)
The lights look more like this ar daylight but I can not capture it with my iphone:
Low beam at 6PM still daylight: (imagine how bright it is at night )
High Beam (check the green plants on top)
Lights off:
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12007 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Some images with a vanagon with H4 headlights(round or square) to directly compare them to would be great.
I saw these lights at the 4wheel parts wholesalers truckfest recently and there was some buzz about them but I would like to know how they compare to the H4s that I already have.
The light pattern would take some getting used to for me. http://www.jwspeaker.com/reference/why-upgrade-to-led
I have seen several versions of LED headlights in the past just wondering if they are ready for prime time now. |
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mreuter Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2008 Posts: 392 Location: oakland
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
Some images with a vanagon with H4 headlights(round or square) to directly compare them to would be great.
I saw these lights at the 4wheel parts wholesalers truckfest recently and there was some buzz about them but I would like to know how they compare to the H4s that I already have.
The light pattern would take some getting used to for me. http://www.jwspeaker.com/reference/why-upgrade-to-led
I have seen several versions of LED headlights in the past just wondering if they are ready for prime time now. |
That's the reason I use 2 sets. I can adjust the pattern the way I like it. The version 2 of the 8700 LED lights have much better pattern because they use 4 diffuser per lamp compared to the V1 2 only diffuser like the 8630 |
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ThankYouJerry Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2012 Posts: 2271 Location: Shakedown Street
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Mreuter - If you have the time to shoot some pix from behind the wheel at night (parked ) that would be great. Thx! _________________ 1990 Multivan - "Ohana"
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Karl,
I think you and your fancy schmancy incandescent light output levels are being ignored! Heh.
It's only a matter of time with LEDs, but I'll take my incandescents as well. They are taking leaps and bounds with LEDs and it will be fascinating to see where they end up.
DougM
Edit: I think the high beams on my LandCruisers (direct fit HIR bulbs) put out 2300 lumens, the low beams 1700. On high beams that's 8000 lumens from four separate lamps. On high beam they are the best factory headlamps I have ever driven behind. Nice even pattern - no hot spots. I'd enjoy seeing these next to my Cruisers for comparison. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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lloydy Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2010 Posts: 715 Location: cheam surrey
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:24 am Post subject: |
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mreuter wrote: |
lloydy wrote: |
Wow, they seriously fit in the vanagon outer bracket with no mods whatsoever? That's great! With the jw bracket for the inners, does it mount on to the SA bracket or did you have to make something up? |
It mounts on the SA bracket but you have to increase the inner hole. I check if I have pictures... |
sounds really good! i may be doing this.. _________________ 16" syncro multivan pop top AHU TDI
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:06 am Post subject: |
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IdahoDoug wrote: |
Karl,
I think you and your fancy schmancy incandescent light output levels are being ignored! Heh.
It's only a matter of time with LEDs, but I'll take my incandescents as well. They are taking leaps and bounds with LEDs and it will be fascinating to see where they end up.
DougM
Edit: I think the high beams on my LandCruisers (direct fit HIR bulbs) put out 2300 lumens, the low beams 1700. On high beams that's 8000 lumens from four separate lamps. On high beam they are the best factory headlamps I have ever driven behind. Nice even pattern - no hot spots. I'd enjoy seeing these next to my Cruisers for comparison. |
"HIR bulbs"? _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, should have specified. HIR bulbs are only available in a few bulb sizes. Fifteen years ago, John Deere started making them for their big farming equipment for night farming. It stands for Halogen InfraRed. They have a coating on the bulb that causes a portion of the light to bounce back once into the filament or similar. On the next bounce they have a different frequency and pass through the coating and the filament is made more efficient output wise. From the front of the vehicle, they look the same frequency - no odd blue - in fact they are identical looking to an ordinary halogen.
After a few years JD contracted with Hitachi to make them and then they moved up a whole new level in precise filament control and the life almost doubled. Somebody on the LandCruiser list discovered they'd fit our vehicles if you simply snapped off a fin that prevented use in an automobile and we started group buy after group buy. They were frightfully expensive at $29, but now we all laugh at that in a day of $45 bulbs!
Anyhow, I've been using them for a couple hundred thousand miles and they're like nothing I've ever had. They fit 9011, 9012, 9005 an 9006 I believe. Because the filament is in the correct place for these bulbs, they don't blow light all over the place - just the same pattern in a nice warm color. On high beam though, you will get flashed from a mile out. They're crazy bright. Normal wattage - no mods to the stock wiring. I've always wondered why someone didn't start offering these as a full line. The thinking probably is that they would not overcome the newness of those cool looking blueish bulbs, the impending arrival of quality LED, etc and not worth tooling up for. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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WLD*WSTY Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2009 Posts: 438 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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westyventures wrote: |
H4 130w (high beam) = 3400 lumens. H3 100W (inner, driving) = 1750 lumens. 2-each in my van. I think for now I'll stick with these. |
Me too. Plus they fit the LOOK of a 25+ year old vehicle, rather than something built in the last 5 years. _________________ '82 SyncroWesty, the first ever conversion.'06 Subaru 2.5L |
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mreuter Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2008 Posts: 392 Location: oakland
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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WLD*WSTY wrote: |
westyventures wrote: |
H4 130w (high beam) = 3400 lumens. H3 100W (inner, driving) = 1750 lumens. 2-each in my van. I think for now I'll stick with these. |
Me too. Plus they fit the LOOK of a 25+ year old vehicle, rather than something built in the last 5 years. |
Well, I did not do this for the look, I installed LED because of the very low AMP draw.
My LED draws 2.5AMP X 12volt = 30Watt compared to 130Watt/12Volt = 10.83 AMP.
One day it is going to be an EV or at least an hybrid like my 2 other cars.
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vanonimous Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2013 Posts: 362 Location: Burien, Center of the Universe
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Nicely done! LED technology is making great progress. That giant red electric motor is pure xxx. _________________ If happiness is being a mechanic, owning a Vanagon is nirvana.
Lighting upgrades: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=578291 |
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mreuter Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2008 Posts: 392 Location: oakland
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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vanonimous wrote: |
Nicely done! LED technology is making great progress. That giant red electric motor is pure xxx. |
The electric motor was only for reference. The new ones are much smaller. My vision would be replacing the trans axle with an long thin electric motor. The clutch will disconnect the engine and you going to have a 4x4 EV Syncro vanagon with maybe 30 miles range or you could use the decoupler and got a 2 wheel front drive EV. This will take some time but it will be done one day! |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:35 am Post subject: |
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IdahoDoug wrote: |
Sorry, should have specified. HIR bulbs are only available in a few bulb sizes. Fifteen years ago, John Deere started making them for their big farming equipment for night farming. It stands for Halogen InfraRed. They have a coating on the bulb that causes a portion of the light to bounce back once into the filament or similar. On the next bounce they have a different frequency and pass through the coating and the filament is made more efficient output wise. From the front of the vehicle, they look the same frequency - no odd blue - in fact they are identical looking to an ordinary halogen.
After a few years JD contracted with Hitachi to make them and then they moved up a whole new level in precise filament control and the life almost doubled. Somebody on the LandCruiser list discovered they'd fit our vehicles if you simply snapped off a fin that prevented use in an automobile and we started group buy after group buy. They were frightfully expensive at $29, but now we all laugh at that in a day of $45 bulbs!
Anyhow, I've been using them for a couple hundred thousand miles and they're like nothing I've ever had. They fit 9011, 9012, 9005 an 9006 I believe. Because the filament is in the correct place for these bulbs, they don't blow light all over the place - just the same pattern in a nice warm color. On high beam though, you will get flashed from a mile out. They're crazy bright. Normal wattage - no mods to the stock wiring. I've always wondered why someone didn't start offering these as a full line. The thinking probably is that they would not overcome the newness of those cool looking blueish bulbs, the impending arrival of quality LED, etc and not worth tooling up for. |
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WLD*WSTY Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2009 Posts: 438 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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mreuter wrote: |
WLD*WSTY wrote: |
westyventures wrote: |
H4 130w (high beam) = 3400 lumens. H3 100W (inner, driving) = 1750 lumens. 2-each in my van. I think for now I'll stick with these. |
Me too. Plus they fit the LOOK of a 25+ year old vehicle, rather than something built in the last 5 years. |
Well, I did not do this for the look, I installed LED because of the very low AMP draw.
My LED draws 2.5AMP X 12volt = 30Watt compared to 130Watt/12Volt = 10.83 AMP. |
My alternator puts out 130 amps... _________________ '82 SyncroWesty, the first ever conversion.'06 Subaru 2.5L |
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thomas73 Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2015 Posts: 13 Location: North Bay, CA
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4098 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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That is really cool technology, however the main problem would be the unsprung mass of such a system.
Wheels also take a lot of abuse, I foresee much maintenance with all that tech. _________________ Currently:
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Merian Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I thought also, until I discovered that a prominent engineering firm had tested wheel hub motors and found that drivers did not notice any differences.
I expect the technology is least suitable for a sports car, and nearly compelling for an off-road vehicle. Portal axles may be going the way of the dodo... |
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4098 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Merian wrote: |
That's what I thought also, until I discovered that a prominent engineering firm had tested wheel hub motors and found that drivers did not notice any differences.
I expect the technology is least suitable for a sports car, and nearly compelling for an off-road vehicle. Portal axles may be going the way of the dodo... |
Hmmm, maybe for very low speed crawling, but at any speed there would be less contact between road and tire. Washboards would be awful!
Very interesting tech.
Of course none of this has anything to do with LED's! _________________ Currently:
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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With all that power available (both elec capacity of the system, and physical power), some power could be used for real time tire inflation adjustments, and an active (powered) component to the springs that would either help counter the undesirable aspects of the mass, or even eliminate them and add some positive traction. I worked with Lotus/GM on an active suspension program and it has potential to solve a lot of previously unresolved suspension/terrain issues.
That seems like a crazy amount of power/torque. Makes me wonder if they feel there is no opportunity to make smaller/lighter units for everyday cars at perhaps a mere 50 lbs/ft? Heck, I'd be interested in this for the Vanagon if it were lighter/cheaper/required smaller batteries. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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SlowLane Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1044 Location: Livermore, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Syncro Jael wrote: |
I have been looking at the truck lights. Just haven't pulled the trigger yet. These have much less draw on power than the H4s I have now. |
I installed a pair of those TruckLite 27270c 7" round lights on my van last July before my trip to Canada. They are DOT legal.
I like 'em a lot. There is an X-shaped artifact in the center of the beam that some people report as distracting, but I don't mind it.
Got mine from Amazon for $165 apiece. _________________ Present:
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