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richardfry19
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im taking it to a machine shop on monday, if they give it the thumbs up ill be happy. the case has a crack in it by the oil screen, so its being replaced.
i never would have thought to grind down some clearance for the bolts. if it was a manual case, that is.
well, i dont plan on giving up on this car, and ill do what i must.
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Donnie strickland
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| There are no differences in the cases. The access holes for the flex plate bolts are individually ground out with a rotary file. |
This is not correct, at least on my 71 engine. Since mine is out of the car right now, I took a couple of photos...
First, the transmission case cutout:
And the engine case cutout, viewed from above with the cam plug at right -- note that the case is cast this way, not ground out:
And another view:
Also note that there is no cover over any part of the access holes.
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KTPhil 
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| With your new block, be sure you (or your builder) puts the cam plug in the right way for an automatic-- cup facing outward, not inward. |
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Mike Fisher
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| Donnie strickland wrote: |
| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| There are no differences in the cases. The access holes for the flex plate bolts are individually ground out with a rotary file. |
This is not correct, at least on my 71 engine. Since mine is out of the car right now, I took a couple of photos...
First, the transmission case cutout:
And the engine case cutout, viewed from above with the cam plug at right -- note that the case is cast this way, not ground out:
And another view:
Also note that there is no cover over any part of the access holes. |
I'm correct in saying All the cases are the same from the foundry!
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Donnie strickland
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I'm correct in saying All the cases are the same from the foundry! |
Maybe, maybe not. If you can show me some documentation from VW to that effect, I will cheerfully stand corrected. 
I can only speak for my engine case, but the edges look way too smooth to have seen a grinder. It looks to be cast like that.
At any rate it doesn't really matter; I was posting some pics to show what the cutout looks like on both engine and transmission.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Donnie strickland wrote: |
| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I'm correct in saying All the cases are the same from the foundry! |
Maybe, maybe not. If you can show me some documentation from VW to that effect, I will cheerfully stand corrected.
I can only speak for my engine case, but the edges look way too smooth to have seen a grinder. It looks to be cast like that.
At any rate it doesn't really matter; I was posting some pics to show what the cutout looks like on both engine and transmission. |
Agreed, show us the documentation.
VW probably used a special casting (with a plug in that spot), as like you said , "it's too smooth to be ground out".
Thank you for posting the pics Donnie, I'm sure it'll help Richard and others. You'll have to forgive me for not thinking about you having your engine out, as I would have thought you'd have it back in by now. 
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Donnie strickland
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Don't I wish! I can't get any time to work on it...it's down to the long block, but I'm hoping I can get time to finish disassembly this week.
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blues90
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| I looked at my 73 SB today. There is no cover like I thought . I took a few photo's but it's really difficult to tell in photo's I can tell you the very small area on the case that allows just enough room to get at the flex plate bolt's is cast into the case . It's not ground it's cast in and it's not very big either. It's more to the left side of the case just enough room to get the bolts in and a box end on it. |
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Donnie strickland
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| blues90 wrote: |
| I looked at my 73 SB today. There is no cover like I thought . I took a few photo's but it's really difficult to tell in photo's I can tell you the very small area on the case that allows just enough room to get at the flex plate bolt's is cast into the case . It's not ground it's cast in and it's not very big either. It's more to the left side of the case just enough room to get the bolts in and a box end on it. |
That's right, the cutout is only on the left case half.
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blues90
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Here are the two photo's that show mine in the car.
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blues90
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| I never found removing/installing the converter bolts on a type 3 auto trans all that difficult . As long as you have the proper auto trans case there is plenty on room to get at the bolts. All you have to do is get one hole of the flex plate in the case opening and then it's easy to turn the converter by hand and line it up and put a bolt in just so the head touches the plate and then just a large flat screw driver to turn the converter to the next hole and once all three are in place torque them . You can either turn the engine with a wrench at the gen pulley bolt or use a remote starter button at the starter key off of course. |
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bun
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Torque converter/flex plate options |
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| stupid question i have the torque converter off .the 3 bolt flexi plate is the big nut that holds it on, while looking at it a left hand thread or right hand thread i tried going anti clockwise could not budge it any ideas please have a slight leak at the crankshaft oil seal got a new one to fit also got another torque convertor to fit as my one looks fried |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Torque converter/flex plate options |
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| stupid question i have the torque converter off .the 3 bolt flexi plate is the big nut that holds it on, while looking at it a left hand thread or right hand thread i tried going anti clockwise could not budge it any ideas please have a slight leak at the crankshaft oil seal got a new one to fit also got another torque convertor to fit as my one looks fried |
It's a right hand threaded bolt. The big problem you're running into is that it's torqued up to 253 ftlbs. It might also have loctite on it. The big problem with AT cars is holding the flex plate so you can torque it. You might try warming it up with an oxy torch, just to be on the safe side.
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bun
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Torque converter/flex plate options |
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THANKS FOR THAT, GOT THE BIG NUT OFF PUT NEW SHIM CRANKSHAFT FLOAT MATE TOOK IT OF WITH AN IMPACT WRENCH REPLACED THE DUFF OIL SEAL 2 DROPS OF LOCKTIGHT AND HE TORQED IT UP . COST ME A BOTTLE O RED WINE ,,
NOW GOT A TYPE4 TORQUE CONVERTOR AND JUST BOUGHT A WORKING TYPE 4 GEARBOX WHICH WILL FIT RIGHT IN TO THE SAME SPACE ON THE TRIKE ;ILL FIT IN THE GEARBOX AND TORQUE CONVERTOR ANYONE KNOW THE AMOUNT OF ATF THE CONVERTER HOLDS AND THE TYPE 4 GEAR BOX AS THEY WERE DRAINED FOR TRANSPORT ALSO COULD YOU TELL ME IF THER IS A CERTAIN GRADE OF ATF FOR THE AUTOBOX
SORRY FOR SHOUTING LOL
once i have the gear box in place with the torque convertor on its going to be a hard job to get the three bolts onto the flexi plate.Any ideas when i offer the engine up to the gearbox flexi plate its going to be difficult for me to get the bolts onto the flexi plate,Any suggestions how i can do this , will have the trike back up on axel stands with the gearbox in place , WEE BIT O HELP PLEASE
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CBDZ_CBDZ
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Torque converter/flex plate options |
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Good Info!
Now what is the best way to "lock" the crank and flex-plate from rotating while tightening the crank gland nut? Typical flywheel lock wont work, obviously.
I was thinking of a bar with three holes. Two that can bolt to two flanges in the flex-plate, and one in the case.
Any other suggestions?
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Torque converter/flex plate options |
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I bought a high performance EARTHQUAKE electric impact wrench at Harbor Freight.
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ataraxia
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I'm correct in saying All the cases are the same from the foundry! |
| Russ Wolfe wrote: |
| M249 also stands for automatic trans in the later cars. |
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Mike Fisher
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| ataraxia wrote: |
| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I'm correct in saying All the cases are the same from the foundry! |
| Russ Wolfe wrote: |
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Still Whining about the cases I see. 
Point out the differences in an AT case.
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ataraxia
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| ataraxia wrote: |
| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I'm correct in saying All the cases are the same from the foundry! |
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Still Whining about the cases I see.
Point out the differences in an AT case. |
You amuse me. Honestly. Don't ever change. |
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