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budnick Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Alpena MI
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:49 pm Post subject: Worth pulling home? |
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Found a 1970, 411LE 2 door wagon, manual trans with sunroof. Still with the original owner who parked it under a red oak tree in the early 90's because it was, in his words, "all loosey goosey on the road". Car is literally melting into the ground, rust through on every panel and floorpan, hit on the nose, dented on both sides and missing rear glass. I lifted the engine cover to find that it all intact but full of acorns. Is this worth dragging 100 miles home even if free. He said if I can move it, I can have it. I was thinking of building a trike off of the rear clip, roof and all since the only thing not punched in is the back sheetmetal. No pics yet but I may return to it this weekend for a another going over. _________________ If I can't fix it, it's broke.
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SimiRon Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2012 Posts: 46 Location: Simi Valley
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like it's not worth fixing, unless you're really good at finding parts and have an endless supply of time and money. 411's and 412's are difficult to find parts for. Might be worth scavenging the engine, transmission, window glass, etc. Always someone like me for these parts. _________________ '78 ASI Riviera Camper
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Personally....if its free....and you have the space to strip it and cut it up for parts.....there are literally hundreds if not a couple thousand parts that are no longer made for these cars....on that car. 411 and 41 have been coming out of the woodwork and hiding places.....and parts needs are growing. You could always sell parts off for cheap....or tell someone else where it is if you dont need the parts yourself. Ray |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17963 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I have sold a couple 003 automatic transmissions w/subframes for Trikes. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
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66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
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budnick Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Alpena MI
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it took 4 hours to get on my flatbed with a 2500lbs winch, two jacks, and alot of sweat. When I put my hand on the drivers seat to put it in neutral the seat fell back onto the rear seat with the mounts still attached. It brought what was left of the floor with it. Got two spare tires under the bonnet. In short the car is only missing some trim pieces, rear glass and structural metal. Got some on the trailer pics for you all.
_________________ If I can't fix it, it's broke. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! Thats sad. I have only seen one sunroof type 4 car in my life.
The body is pretty ugly. But between the glass, interior parts and suspension parts etc.....you shouod recoup some money. Just keep It cheap and reasonable and things will alowly move. Good work! Ray |
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Kharon8 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2011 Posts: 375 Location: Espoo, Finland
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Wow!
I didn't even know you could have a sunroof for 411. That alone should be worth something.
I'd buy it for my own except I've a fastback and it has different roof.
But anyway: I could see so many sellable small parts that selling them should cover the expenses and sweat for dragging it home and disassembling.
Even if sheet metal and suspension etc. is rusted beyond usable. _________________ Kharon -- '62 typ1, '63 typ14, '61 typ21, '65 typ34, '74 412, '75 typ26
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budnick Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Alpena MI
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:24 am Post subject: |
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I will be cleaning it out today and washing it out with a power washer to see how bad the damage really is. I never even opened all the doors when I when to pick it up so there could be anything inside. Then the car will put on jackstands and covered to await a future process. It will not be going to the crusher _________________ If I can't fix it, it's broke. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:54 am Post subject: |
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You know.....I love your attitude!......but sadly....eventually....it will go to the crusher. The rear quarter panel damage is from foam injected between the panels. Typically that kind of rust is worse on the inside.
These cars have no pan. They are unibody. The outer sheet metal, doors, front and rear fenders....and even flat plates in the floor area can be gotten on line from junkyards and replaced. But when the complex inner panels are rotted away.....its largely gone.
But.....a, few have done serious inner chassis welding surgery with these cars. I salute you if you do. Bear in mind.....these were crash cell cars. They have difficult areas. Ray |
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budnick Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Alpena MI
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Its of the trailer and opened up. Sunroof works perfectly, original sales ticket from 71 in the guys name that I got it from. I see now all the advice about non repairable damage. It is totally screwed. Tell me what you see. Appreciate your input.
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Its hard to say. Pull off the fenders and doors. The flat part under the seats where the battery goes....is actually not a big deal.
Other areas under panels are not so hard. They dont have to be cosmetic. You could weld in patches.
the critical areas will be the mounting points for the rear cross member and the front subframe and the airbox behind the dash.
If they just have holes but are largely structurally intact...just dissolve the rust, neutralize, weld in patches and undercoat.
Its only the structural that will keep the car off the road. It may never be perfect without ground up welding with serious skill...but it may be drive able again and look decent....and that is saying something.
Also....LOL....you have no idea how many 411/412 I have seen in the junkyard that have trunks full of everything just like that one. They were a huge trunk and many junkyard guys put special or hard to find items in the type 4 trunks to get them out of the rain....plus it was pretty secure from average vw yard pickers who didnt know their way around the type 4 . Ray |
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Free or??
Prop it up
Open it up
Clean it out
Is the engine still in it?
I can Only imagine what the bottom of the engine/trans looks like
Remember they are unibody
Making it streetable will cost more than it'll ever be worth
Maybe ray wants a sunroof section for his baby _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
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budnick Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Alpena MI
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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The motor is still in it and complete. The PO told me he parked it in 1980 where I found it. In running condition. I believe him and the 70k mile odometer. I cleaned it all out then filled it back up with all the NOS parts I got in the deal.
Here is some under body shots.
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budnick Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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And the parts I got.
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Damn! Lots of interesting stuff. Ray |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17963 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Place WTB ads here & Craigslist for parts you need or even another body. It usually takes 2 cars to rebuild into 1 car. I just shipped these Type 3 heater channels to FL to go into a fastback if you can find a Type 4 parts breaker like me?
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66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
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'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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Lahti411 Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2005 Posts: 223 Location: Lahti, Finland
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:08 am Post subject: |
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It looks bad but i'd try to save it. I'm currently repairing a 4-door 412 sedan which was in about the same condition as your car. I'm trying to save my car as there very few 4-door 412's here in Finland.
The worst part to repair is the rear crossmember attaching points -as many have noted already. The rear crossmember can be see in the last picture you posted. Check the attaching points at the both end of the crosmember. Floors and sills are not that bad to replace although they might look scary at the moment.
This is a very rare 411 Variant in the U.S. as it has a manual gear box. Also if the interior is dark brown -as it seems- it's the special-order-only "palisander" option. I'd love to have a Variant with sunroof and "palisander" interior! _________________ My cars: 1972 VW 411 Variant; 1973 VW 412 4d sedan |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Ooooooh...also...is that a 4 speed manual transaxle I see in there? if so...if it goes nowhere ...keep me in mind for purchase of the transmission and linkage. Ray |
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19super73 Hardcore Stock Nazi
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19super73 Hardcore Stock Nazi
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