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69 Notchback Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2011 Posts: 714 Location: Bailey Co
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:09 pm Post subject: What did you pay to paint your type 3? |
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Wanted to start a thread on paint and body work cost. I know they will very but if you dont mind sharing I'm sure it will help people who are contemplating getting there type 3 painted. I will start with my 68 square that is in the paint shop now. First I took it down to paint shop striped down. No windows no interior no motor and they are painting everything inside and out. So the shell has been blasted to bear metal using some kind of plastic media. This is completed. The cost $700.00 I thought it was fair. Next they put the whole car in etched primer. Then they went over the whole body with some kind of glove circling every wave and imperfections threw out the car. estimate to fix all the minor waves and I'm perfections $3300.00. I thought this was high since the car has never been in a accident! Last but not least the base coat clear coat paint at $1500.00. Thanks for playing. Build thred coming soon. Leo
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13270 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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My friend is at about $6500 in paint, clear, reducer, filler, sticks, strainers, sand paper etc - no labor cost as a club member has a body shop and they are trading labor. Good isn't cheap and cheap isn't good _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22711 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Leo:
I don't think those prices are really out of line at all.
First- cost of paints has doubled or better in the last five years- same with associated materials. Every time I buy stuff I am shaking my head at the price increases.
Second- it can sometimes take 100 hours or better to properly de- dent, straighten, align, block, and sand an older car If it's being painted black or another dark color it's critical. Even if it's not it still pays to do it right because what's the point in paying half that and being unsatisfied? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22711 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Also- base/ clear to me is over- restored unless you're going with a metallic paint. I'm a confirmed single- stage guy. That said, a lot of modern body shop guys will not do single stage because they claim base/ clear saves them time and a lot of them seem to be unfamiliar with it besides. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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P-Scot Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2011 Posts: 219 Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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I also agree with Tram on this one. To paint my fastback and body work from a reputable shop I ended up paying $2800 for it all including door jambs and dash. Expensive but I can say it was worth it all since I can't stop staring at it. _________________ -'68 VW Fastback 1776cc
-'74 BMW 2002tii
-'74 BMW 2002
-'73 Toyota FJ40
-'69 VW Manx 2180cc Turbo
-'85 Mini Cooper (25th Anniv Ediion)
-'84 Mini Cooper (Chelsea Edition)
-'67 VW Sandrail 1915cc (SOLD)
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JeeJeeJason Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2014 Posts: 234 Location: Bay area, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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I paid $7,000 to have my square disassembled, blocked, rust areas fixed, painted (single stage), re assembled and also have a new headliner installed.
When I say disassembled, I mean removal of the glass, all rubber, fenders...I took the interior apart for them and some of the items they weren't sure on how to remove.
If I did the disassemble/reassemble and installation of all the rubber / windows myself, it probably would have ran me around 4,500 or so.
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1425 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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We do not use single stage paint. Environmental issues force us to use water base/clear coat paint. The truck shop I was at used single stage with no issues.
You can rack up some serious hours block sanding out minor imperfections. I guess you need to figure out how nice you want it to look with how much money you have. _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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blues90 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2009 Posts: 1912 Location: Hollywood ,CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I could never have afforded that . In 85 I took the fenders off my 73 removed the pushed in rear apron and had a new one wire welded in .
I did it at work at a small ford shop I worked at then . I sanded what needed to be . The original yellow paint was not bad . I primed it and used one step black lacquer and got a good full sized spray gun and the paint and primer . I dusted the gray primer and block sanded by hand then painted it.
Today I have no idea what all this costs even if I did it myself. |
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ibjack Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2002 Posts: 2105 Location: Imperial Beach CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I just paid $480 for two gallons of pearl white paint and a gallon of primer. Since doing this I have decided to take lots more time to do the bodywork right _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
'64 Manila Yellow T34
'65 Sea Blue Square Panel
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22711 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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ibjack wrote: |
I just paid $480 for two gallons of pearl white paint and a gallon of primer. Since doing this I have decided to take lots more time to do the bodywork right |
Amazing. That's double what I paid for two gallons of Classic White (the MB version of Pearl) two years ago... that was PPG Delstar. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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ibjack Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2002 Posts: 2105 Location: Imperial Beach CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Tram wrote: |
ibjack wrote: |
I just paid $480 for two gallons of pearl white paint and a gallon of primer. Since doing this I have decided to take lots more time to do the bodywork right |
Amazing. That's double what I paid for two gallons of Classic White (the MB version of Pearl) two years ago... that was PPG Delstar. |
Great, I feel so much better hearing that. Remember I live in the Republic of California. _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
'64 Manila Yellow T34
'65 Sea Blue Square Panel
the1500club.com
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69 Notchback Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2011 Posts: 714 Location: Bailey Co
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Awesome guys, keep it coming. I feel better about my $5500.00 paint job. This guy has multiple best paint trophies and has been in the same location for 30 years. I went yesterday to check on the progress. It's moving slow but moving none the less.
Tram I want you to know the notch is still moving fwd just took a back seat for a little. When I bought the square from my buddy Kris I dove in head first and haven't stopped. MY goal is to have the square and notch ready for the 2016 invasion.
Leo
Had planned on driving the notch down to Denver today to Painters Grinding a Great VW shop is having it's show today. But with 3 feet of fresh snow on the ground in Bailey I think I will be driving the 4 runner. |
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69 Notchback Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2011 Posts: 714 Location: Bailey Co
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: |
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You can almost see the notch buried in snow just past Ryan's (my son) square back and my next project after my square and notch are done. |
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avesondm Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2010 Posts: 237 Location: west covina, ca
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Great topic. I've been wondering about this for a while. Somebody please chime in about an ISP West job. They do great work but I wonder what it costs. _________________ 71 Squareback FI "TC"
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ibjack Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2002 Posts: 2105 Location: Imperial Beach CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Dave, I heard it was in the $11-$14k range but they are the most knowledgable guys in the game _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
'64 Manila Yellow T34
'65 Sea Blue Square Panel
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22711 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:10 am Post subject: |
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ibjack wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
ibjack wrote: |
I just paid $480 for two gallons of pearl white paint and a gallon of primer. Since doing this I have decided to take lots more time to do the bodywork right |
Amazing. That's double what I paid for two gallons of Classic White (the MB version of Pearl) two years ago... that was PPG Delstar. |
Great, I feel so much better hearing that. Remember I live in the Republic of California. |
Prices have doubled here too- you are not alone. Every time I buy any body/ paint stuff I am just shaking my head at the price increase... _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Wow.
You guys have all been getting off SO cheap!
I went and bought the supplies to paint my car.
This was Epoxy, Primer filler, A gallon of paint, some sandpaper, the associated hardeners, and a cheap $90 paint gun.
This cost right about $2K.
This was just mid-grade DuPont (Axalta) single-stage, too.
Not Glasurit, Sikkens or some such high-end products,
That would have easily doubled the price.
I still am likely to need another gallon of paint and probably some more epoxy, too.
This will cost another $1K by the time I got more paper, some filters for my mask, etc.
These cars have 30+ (40?) years of bumps and bruises to straighten out by now,
And that time/labor is almost always likely to cost more than the materials.
Often 2-3-4x the cost of materials..
So you can do the math...
Yes, you can drive your car to Maaco or Earl Shieb and pay $300 to have all of the dents and rust sprayed with some cheap crappy paint.
Or, better yet, you can brush on some house paint.
Like a lot of hard things in life, there ain't likely to be a cheap way around this one... _________________ Bus Motor Build
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4186 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Maybe my painter is going to kill me, but I only paid him $4000 for metal stripping, bodywork and single stage Glasurit. He even buffed my paint as I do not like orange peel. This was inside and outside of the fenders. BTW, he doesn't want to paint old cars anymore. His insurance jobs pay more. _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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pedro sainz Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2005 Posts: 1429
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Tram wrote: |
Also- base/ clear to me is over- restored unless you're going with a metallic paint. I'm a confirmed single- stage guy. That said, a lot of modern body shop guys will not do single stage because they claim base/ clear saves them time and a lot of them seem to be unfamiliar with it besides. |
I'm a single stage too
I painted my Notchback 1995 in TJ
I use 3 gallons Acrylic Enamel strip to metal too
My total was $2200 includes a 72 TKTs beers for those help to strip to metal _________________ 68 T34 1600 Automatic
62 T34 Cabriolet Prototype
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W1K1 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 4919 Location: Southern AB
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't painted the square because the last 2 beetles we had painted were 12K and 14K, complete strip and paint inside and out, very nice, but hard to park somewhere and not worry about it. _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap |
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