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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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johnnypan wrote: |
there that should cover it...any questions? |
I got a question- how much of your shop tools are you going to have to pawn this time to pay restitution & court costs for your latest plaintiff? _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
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johnnypan Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 7431 Location: sackamenna
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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iowegian wrote: |
markiemark9 wrote: |
That all escalated quickly!
So consensus is that regardless I need to do a rebuild. I've done nearly everything else in my body off restoration (see thread in signature). Any reason I shouldn't attempt a rebuild by the Tom Wilson book myself? |
Nope, not necessarily.
But JohnnyPants seems to want to have his way (as usual) so some of us just gave up. |
See,,you're still a fuckin snapperhead..just because the hammer fairy got chased away from your Hudson Hornet when you dumped a case and a half of "Wynns Motor Honey" in the crankcase doesn't mean its sound advice for every engine noise.. |
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johnnypan Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 7431 Location: sackamenna
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
johnnypan wrote: |
there that should cover it...any questions? |
I got a question- how much of your shop tools are you going to have to pawn this time to pay restitution & court costs for your latest plaintiff? |
your sister was quite happy with my work.. |
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Bret2094 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 665 Location: Linden, Texas or College Station Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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markiemark9, you just have to see where things take you. and in regards to johnnypan, you've just got to learn how to read when he is busy busting balls and when he is being helpful. Just measure and clean, and the rest is the journey. Oh and have fun when doing it
Bret _________________ 1959 baja beetle ragtop( going back to Full body)
1959 beetle
1960 Beetle frame Custom buggy
1962 Karmann Ghia
1967 beetle( august 66, first car)
1967 beetle (parts car)
1977 Westfalia Camper
1972 Plymouth Duster
Just another 22 year old jackass who caught the bug, and lives by the motto " NO fatchicks allowed" , I've got too many cars as is (buses N/A) |
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Bashr52 Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2006 Posts: 5666 Location: On an island in VA
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:10 am Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
johnnypan wrote: |
there that should cover it...any questions? |
I got a question- how much of your shop tools are you going to have to pawn this time to pay restitution & court costs for your latest plaintiff? |
I'd still like to know where you come up with this stuff. If you can weed through the bull shit, johnny does have some good advise. |
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markiemark9 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2011 Posts: 237 Location: Omaha, NE
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:12 am Post subject: |
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So here's what I found. Pulled the plug and stuck a magnet down there and pulled up this foreign matter (penny included for relative size):
Any idea what this could be? Part of a ring? Something out of the carb? _________________ My '72 Super Beetle Build Thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7684856#7684856 |
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9826 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Probably ring-----which might explain the oil on the plug situation.
In any event, it blows my "carbon" theory all to pieces. |
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markiemark9 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2011 Posts: 237 Location: Omaha, NE
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johnnypan Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 7431 Location: sackamenna
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I wondered where that penny went ..well thats actually a good sign,perhaps all you'll need to do is a top end..and rod bearings..you'll find you need heads as well,given that hunk of steel was hammering the combustion chamber as well as the plug..thats predicated on your being a perfectionist,alot of folks just fish the crap out and if it runs ok let it go.. |
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markiemark9 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2011 Posts: 237 Location: Omaha, NE
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). _________________ My '72 Super Beetle Build Thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7684856#7684856 |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:43 am Post subject: |
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markiemark9 wrote: |
Any idea what this could be? Part of a ring? Something out of the carb? |
johnnypan wrote: |
and even if it turns out to be an old accelerator pump tube that fell out and jiggled its way into the combustion chamber |
DO you still have this tube in your carb? _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:44 am Post subject: |
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markiemark9 wrote: |
Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). |
Apparently, yes, although as millions of others on here will attest to, I didn't try it... _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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Zeen Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2004 Posts: 1308 Location: The Sunny Part of Michigan
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:01 am Post subject: |
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markiemark9 wrote: |
Picture of the plug:
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I don't understand how there appears to damage around the ring of the plug, yet the electrode is intact. All I am certain of is that the piston could not have done it. And if the knocking sound was from the piston hitting the plug, it would it not eventually stop when it had pounded the electrode out of the way or made a pit in the piston? I would also think it would vary with temperature, as components expanded as they got warm. _________________ The consequences of your decisions should not be confused with fate. |
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9826 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:02 am Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
markiemark9 wrote: |
Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). |
Apparently, yes, although as millions of others on here will attest to, I didn't try it... |
I thought that you had Johnnypan rebuild your engine? |
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johnnypan Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 7431 Location: sackamenna
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:18 am Post subject: |
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markiemark9 wrote: |
Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). |
yes you can..remove heads,cylinders and pistons..then you can get at the rod cap by running the rod to the bottom of its stroke. |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12688 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:29 am Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
markiemark9 wrote: |
Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). |
Apparently, yes, although as millions of others on here will attest to, I didn't try it... |
It can be done. BUT it is fruitless to go through all the trouble with rods and bearings that will give you proper clearences. I hope you plan on AT MINIMUM plastigauging all the rods and bearings on the journals they'll be living on.
EDIT: JP beat me to it, but make sure you check your rod (bump up) orientation as well as cap end numbers matching the same direction as the big part of the rod. Since you can't see them installed, it's extra-important to pay attention to what you're doing.
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 10697 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:32 am Post subject: |
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johnnypan wrote: |
markiemark9 wrote: |
Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). |
yes you can..remove heads,cylinders and pistons..then you can get at the rod cap by running the rod to the bottom of its stroke. |
Not sure you could doing anything about the journals that way though. I would at least want to polish them.
And if you've gone that far... geez ... split the dam case.
Max _________________ 1967 Type-3 Fastback
Under the Knife https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=151582
Home Stretch https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=767836 |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:38 am Post subject: |
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iowegian wrote: |
sb001 wrote: |
markiemark9 wrote: |
Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). |
Apparently, yes, although as millions of others on here will attest to, I didn't try it... |
I thought that you had Johnnypan rebuild your engine? |
I offered to let him do it for free, to show he cared, things went south from there
To the OP- yes you can do all this yourself. Be aware though, that folks on here take for granted that you have all the necessary TOOLS to properly balance, measure, and check clearances on everything, they don't think about things like this. I am not saying don't try it (I wish I had now) but you WILL need to invest in more tools and parts than what you currently have at your disposal, which no one is telling you--of course if you are planning on routinely fixing up old aircooled engines it's not a bad investment. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:42 am Post subject: |
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asiab3 wrote: |
It can be done. BUT it is fruitless to go through all the trouble with rods and bearings that will give you proper clearences. I hope you plan on AT MINIMUM plastigauging all the rods and bearings on the journals they'll be living on.
EDIT: JP beat me to it, but make sure you check your rod (bump up) orientation as well as cap end numbers matching the same direction as the big part of the rod. Since you can't see them installed, it's extra-important to pay attention to what you're doing.
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Max Welton wrote: |
Not sure you could doing anything about the journals that way though. I would at least want to polish them.
And if you've gone that far... geez ... split the dam case.
Max |
See?
It ain't that simple, except to folks who have done it for years and have all the tools lying around. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor
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johnnypan Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Max Welton wrote: |
johnnypan wrote: |
markiemark9 wrote: |
Forgive my ignorance but can rod bearings be done without splitting the case? I'm a total engine newbie (beside the basics of timing, valve adjustments, and other tuning elements). |
yes you can..remove heads,cylinders and pistons..then you can get at the rod cap by running the rod to the bottom of its stroke. |
Not sure you could doing anything about the journals that way though. I would at least want to polish them.
And if you've gone that far... geez ... split the dam case.
Max |
I agree,but when doing just a top end you should do rod bearings... find a scored journal or an bearing worn to copper you have a definite reason to split the case..if not,and everything looks good you have the confidence that the rod bearings are new.. |
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