Zwitter Body

MattBulliBus · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:10 am Post subject: Zwitter Body

Hi all

I've been offered a Zwitter Standard that sits on a much later pan.
It looks very solid with correct doors, front fenders but hood and rear fenders are not from a split.

I'm thinking of buying it for the body only and wondering what is a good price to pay for it? Or a realistic price anyway?

If anyone has an idea it would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

Matt

caleb0101 · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:56 am Post subject:

Pictures please

MattBulliBus · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:27 am Post subject:

Yes for sure.

I will go back to see it again next week and I'll take some pictures.

Cheers

Matt

AlanInMass54 · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:30 am Post subject:

What are your plans for it? If you're going to try and piece it back together with a lot of the small stuff missing it's going to suck. That's what I've been doing, and finding the small Zwitter specific parts is very not fun. As for what it's worth it's hard to say - the PO of my car said he turned down over 8k and it was missing everything but not a rust bucket, so who knows. Would like to see some pictures of it!

ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:50 am Post subject:

two grand minimum...without seeing it...I think any split, even a Zwitter body alone...good luck.
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MattBulliBus · Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:57 am Post subject:

MattBulliBus · Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:06 am Post subject:

MattBulliBus · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:19 pm Post subject:

Some pictures in the gallery.

I'm interested in what you guys think of it and what is a good price to pay.

Cheers

Matt

usariemen · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:06 pm Post subject:

Yustrn · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:17 pm Post subject:

yeah appears to be a 55 body with a early rear window section..pull down the headliner and take a peak before you spend your money.
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caleb0101 · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:42 pm Post subject:

franklinunes · Samba Member Joined: August 06, 2007 Posts: 414

Mirror is split, dash not split, lots of changes, but this car makes me remember the split from our friend Eurodub, amazing work he made with lot of effort, yes is the same car.

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Now

AlanInMass54 · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:00 pm Post subject:

That's a weird one! Late oval ash tray, has starter button, looks like the heater channels would be replacements. A 55 would have mesh heat outlets with vents by the pedals, 56 would be slots but forward too. Then you'd have non ribbed doors. So maybe it's an original body with parts replaced? Any pictures of under the front hood area?

tisius · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:18 am Post subject:

definitely a car that has been worked on a lot. Parts have been from a lot of different years [later pan, earlier split rear window/ (i think) later front fenders/ later tail lights/ front hood handle/ windscreen wipers, a-symmetric headlight lenses....and I could go on like that for a while longer], although It seems to be an early standard model oval, judging by the ribbed doors and painted parts (instead of chromed for the export model). With the split window welded in?
My best guess would be that it's not a zwitter, because I can't think of one reason (other than stupidity Laughing

) why someone would go through the effort to replace a zwitter specific ashtray with an oval model version and make it look convincingly stock; why in the world would you need to do that? (but then again.... stranger things have happened to old VW's)

What is the VIN number? And the stamped body number (if it has one in the spare tire area)? That would clarify more.
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sunroof · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:38 am Post subject:

Definitely an interesting car. The pan looks pre 63 to me (heater control knob) and the dash looks post 53. I wonder if the heater channels have been replaced? Numbers, we need numbers.

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MattBulliBus · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:53 am Post subject:

Thank you all for the input.

I'm sure it's a Zwitter as there is no headliner in and all metal looks OG.
Much later pan for sure.
The wrong heater channels fitted at some point also.

Under the hood it looks the same as my 51 Split. Tank etc.

The oval ash tray could have been added later as OG was lost. Maybe.

I really don't look at this as a 10 year search for correct parts beetle but more as a slammed mean looking grey fun thing to drive.

Hot motor, nice wheels and to low to drive.
And thought a 53 Zwitter might work well.

Cheers

Matt

usariemen · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:23 pm Post subject:

MattBulliBus · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:33 pm Post subject:

ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:55 pm Post subject:

... Oh, I still like it even though many parts have been replaced for whatever reason...kinda' depends what your intentions are. If you are open minded about it and don't allow any of the modifications to disturb you, it'll bring a ton of happiness.

I still say it's worth $2,000 minimum and if it drives and is usable, it's worth more. Look at the body number, behind the spare tire to get a better idea when it was made.

I'd get it and enjoy it... keep it till I was old and very gray then, leave it to another who cares about such things and perpetuate the goodness and happiness it will bring everyone.

Back in the late 70s, I bought a 1950 standard on a '72 pan and really enjoyed it. Some did not understand why another would make the changes, they did...just goes to show how different we all are. I just accepted it for what it was and moved on...

Today, I know the owner of it and it is one of his most treasured material items...still bringing much happiness...

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8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

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billmetric · Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:27 pm Post subject:

very interesting, can't quite tell if the door hinges are pre '55, I can just see the oil hole which was changed from round hole to a square slot for '55 ribbed doors, zwitter starter button is a very easy mod, maybe if it had a zwitter ignition switch under the late oval ashtray which it doesn't, still interested to see some numbers for this very subtle frankenstein?

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