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ekacpuc Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2010 Posts: 1414 Location: ketchikan alaska
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 8:37 pm Post subject: New idfs won't idle |
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Got new idfs for bug and it won't idle. It revs good but won idle.
Cleaned idle jets, blew a little air through idle jet holes and mix screw holes with carb cleaner, tried it at all different fuel pressures and nothing helped. Sprayed it with starter fluid looking for leaks but didnt find any.
115 mains 55 idles and 200 air with f11 (had it pre jetted and cleaned by ACN)
2007cc web 163 and l3 heads plus 034 dist
Oh messed with timing and it helped with a butt load of advance. New cap, rotor, points, plug wires and plugs (gapped at .028 )
I'm stumped and this is getting old |
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sturgeongeneral Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2005 Posts: 2460 Location: Sacramento, California
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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ps2375 Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2014 Posts: 2471 Location: Meridian,ID
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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My idle improved greatly after I closed the Air Bypass screws and just used the Idle speed screw on each to set idle speed. And you really need to fine tune the linkage after you get it idling w/o linkage hooked up. |
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ekacpuc Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2010 Posts: 1414 Location: ketchikan alaska
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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The only way it'll idle at all is with the idle speed screw one turn in (exposing progression ports). I've tried bumping them down (with a sync and no linkage) and it just starts to die.
It'll sound like it runs good with idle speed screw at 1 turn and mix screws turned all the way in. That's not how they should run...
Doing all this with no linkage and air bleeds turned all the way in |
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Dougy Dee Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2004 Posts: 1669 Location: Niagara Region, CANADA
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:14 am Post subject: |
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What happens when you turn the airbleeds out 1 turn and set things up? |
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56vwoval Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2010 Posts: 186 Location: nowhere USA
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 8:31 am Post subject: idfs |
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Check for vacuum leaks! _________________ Remember guys and girls, you can be right or you can be happy with your significant other! You decide which is right at that time! |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Something else is wrong.... You have vacuum leaks or timing problems...
Basic set up of carbs for start up is use "lean best idle adjustment" process.... Air bypass screws closed, idle mixture screws out 2 turns and idle speed screw 1 to 1-1/2 turn in after screw initially touches linkage arm...
http://www.piercemanifolds.com/category_s/313.htm
http://www.piercemanifolds.com/category_s/312.htm
http://www.piercemanifolds.com/category_s/317.htm
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Casting Timmy Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2012 Posts: 1221 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 4:05 am Post subject: |
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So what happened when you tried turning the idle mixture screws out? if this is a new motor you will need them out more until the rings seat. |
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ekacpuc Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2010 Posts: 1414 Location: ketchikan alaska
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Not really any change.
John at ACN said I have the wrong jets and are sending new ones (have 55 idles and need 50s).
Also you can't just crank the idle screw in to 1.5 turns because it'll expose progression ports. Just because the links given say to doesnt mean its correct.
I'll get it figured out I hope. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:32 am Post subject: |
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is it the carbs/car or tuner?..or both. might also be an intake gasket at the intake/head joint.and then there's the timing.is it right? using a snail to get them all the same? |
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ekacpuc Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2010 Posts: 1414 Location: ketchikan alaska
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Prob a lil of both.
Timing, lash and points are all set. New plugs wires cap rotor condenser too.
To check fuel psi can I just t my pressure gauge in the line before it splits off to to the carbs? I've read about dead ending the fuel to the t but I'm not sure what is better.
When I change out the idles I'm gonna make sure I don't expose progression ports and make sure the mix screw is below throttle plates. Maybe my half turn is off |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:03 am Post subject: |
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might want to addvance the timing for idle so you can get it to idle then start working everything out and timing back down . also bypass may be bypassing toomuch..or not enough. |
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ekacpuc Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2010 Posts: 1414 Location: ketchikan alaska
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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mark tucker wrote: |
might want to addvance the timing for idle so you can get it to idle then start working everything out and timing back down . also bypass may be bypassing toomuch..or not enough. |
I have the bypass screws all the way closed (redline says not to use them).
Installed the new 50 idles and it purrs now. Advancing timing did help to get it tuned at first. |
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