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69 Notchback
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| Tram, are gaps hard to do after the car has been painted? I want to be able to work them my self if im not happy with them. I'm not expectin to much after my Friday conversation with the paint guy. Any tips would be appreciated . |
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Mike Fisher
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You'd just chip up the new paint!  The gaps on my square are not all that perfect! So you might as well relax & let the painter do his thing. BC/CC for the best! 
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69 Notchback
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I hear u Mike it just pains me to basically throw away good money on poor work. Who knows maybe I will be plesently suprised. |
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Tram
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Tram, are gaps hard to do after the car has been painted? I want to be able to work them my self if im not happy with them. I'm not expectin to much after my Friday conversation with the paint guy. Any tips would be appreciated . |
Leo, to me it's not that bad but I have been doing these things almost since God was a child and i have a little arsenal of tricks.
There seems to be lots of burnout in the auto body world when it comes to anything more involved than a quick collision repair on a late model these days.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| So making body gaps right was extra |
Wait, what? |
Yeah... really?  The bill isn't out of line if absolutely everything is perfect, but who charges extra to check and adjust body gaps on a restoration job? As a standalone, yes, but not as part of a tear it apart body and paint job! |
Leo, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but IF you want him to get everything right, you're going to need to drop off the fender beading, so he can fit it while adjusting the body lines and gaps. Without it, he can't really set anything, unless you're going to run without the beading.
Setting the gaps and body lines isn't that hard to do, but IF you already paid for it to be done, get the beading there ASAP.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Tram, are gaps hard to do after the car has been painted? I want to be able to work them my self if im not happy with them. I'm not expectin to much after my Friday conversation with the paint guy. Any tips would be appreciated . |
Leo, to me it's not that bad but I have been doing these things almost since God was a child and i have a little arsenal of tricks.
There seems to be lots of burnout in the auto body world when it comes to anything more involved than a quick collision repair on a late model these days. |
I agree, it's not that hard to do. But, if you're going to use the fender beading, then you're going to have to re-do his work, as you'll be taking out the screws that hold stuff in place, then you get to set everything back in place.
I ran into that when I originally did my wife's car, as I left the beading off for paint, only to install it afterward. To install it, you have to take the screws out, or mostly out, then place the beading in it's correct spot, then re-tighten the screws.
Tram, actually everybody seems to be getting more lazy about doing their jobs, not just body guys. It just seems like they're taking more time than usual. And that's the whole thing about collision work, get it out.
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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69 Notchback
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| I asked him about the fender beeding and he wanted to charge me $500.00 more to install the beeding. I told him to go *^&*) himself. I'm just so over this experiance! |
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KTPhil 
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Bobnotch
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| I asked him about the fender beeding and he wanted to charge me $500.00 more to install the beeding. I told him to go *^&*) himself. I'm just so over this experiance! |
Well, if he's charging extrato install the beading, then he's not doing the panel alignment either (at least in my book). And if that's the case, tell you don't want him to align the body lines, as you'll take care of that when you install the beading, as you'll have to undo all of his work to get it on.
On my Notch, I'm running it without beading, as I left it off so I can easily get in there to do other work (at the time I was still playing around with IRS engine mounts). But over the last 15 years, it hasn't really bothered me not to have it in place. It's nice in that I can pull a fender off and not worry about the beading shrinking. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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bonecollector
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Single stage or base coat cleat coat paint on your type 3 |
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Here is my first try at matching Patina with Single Stage. Paint we used used was PPG Essentials. Check it out.
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