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Erik G
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 Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:59 am Post subject: Early front bearings / brake stuff |
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Can someone please confirm what front wheel bearings I should have on my 63? 311 405 625 inner 311 405 645 outer? What's on there are tapered roller bearings, but looking at parts online, they look flat ball type - and I don't see anyone as listing them pre 66
my front right inner is shot. the lock washers were trashed and allowed the spindle nuts to tighten up - lots of metallic colored grease. I want to buy all 4 and get it done right
anyone know the SKF or FAG numbers? are they the same as a 66 beetle? (for some reason that's stuck in my head)
thanks in advance. Bummed I didn't find this earlier, did all the brakes all the way around and got to the front right last as it's hardest to get to in my garage
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sctbrd
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Tapered (early) ones available here:
http://www.vwispwest.com/311405625.html
It's where I got mine for my 1965. Looks like it is the same as the Beetle.
You can call them to verify you get the right one- they have great customer service. |
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W1K1
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timken set 4 ,311 405 625, L44649/L44610
timken set 1 ,311 405 645, LM11749/LM11710
any bearing shop or flaps should carry good quality tapered bearings, don't buy offshore crap.
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Erik G
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timken set 4 ,311 405 625, L44649/L44610
timken set 1 ,311 405 645, LM11749/LM11710
any bearing shop or flaps should carry good quality tapered bearings, don't buy offshore crap. |
Thanks for the Timken #'s!!
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Erik G
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for a brand that has an office and warehouse in Houston - it sure isn't easy to buy Timken bearings locally. Cheap as chips on eBay though
Next question. Is that stupid axle double jam nut locking plate really only early type 3? I think it is, as it's a 311 part number. 66 bug went to the Allen style, that I thought I could use until I looked at the dust cap - Doh!
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for a brand that has an office and warehouse in Houston - it sure isn't easy to buy Timken bearings locally. Cheap as chips on eBay though
Next question. Is that stupid axle double jam nut locking plate really only early type 3? I think it is, as it's a 311 part number. 66 bug went to the Allen style, that I thought I could use until I looked at the dust cap - Doh! |
You can get the bearings on Amazon.com in 2 days if you have Prime.
I have the lock plates if you need some...PM me. |
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Erik G
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for a brand that has an office and warehouse in Houston - it sure isn't easy to buy Timken bearings locally. Cheap as chips on eBay though
Next question. Is that stupid axle double jam nut locking plate really only early type 3? I think it is, as it's a 311 part number. 66 bug went to the Allen style, that I thought I could use until I looked at the dust cap - Doh! |
You can get the bearings on Amazon.com in 2 days if you have Prime.
I have the lock plates if you need some...PM me. |
Thanks - I have a some more stuff to order from ISPWest again so no biggie on the lock plates.
I did just score a pair of those NOS right side wheel cylinders in the classifieds. One of these days my car will be "safe" to drive again...
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for a brand that has an office and warehouse in Houston - it sure isn't easy to buy Timken bearings locally. Cheap as chips on eBay though
Next question. Is that stupid axle double jam nut locking plate really only early type 3? I think it is, as it's a 311 part number. 66 bug went to the Allen style, that I thought I could use until I looked at the dust cap - Doh! |
You can get the bearings on Amazon.com in 2 days if you have Prime.
I have the lock plates if you need some...PM me. |
Thanks - I have a some more stuff to order from ISPWest again so no biggie on the lock plates.
I did just score a pair of those NOS right side wheel cylinders in the classifieds. One of these days my car will be "safe" to drive again... |
Are these the cylinders you just bought?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1807098
If so, those are 64-65.
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Erik G
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| Erik G wrote: |
| ataraxia wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
for a brand that has an office and warehouse in Houston - it sure isn't easy to buy Timken bearings locally. Cheap as chips on eBay though
Next question. Is that stupid axle double jam nut locking plate really only early type 3? I think it is, as it's a 311 part number. 66 bug went to the Allen style, that I thought I could use until I looked at the dust cap - Doh! |
You can get the bearings on Amazon.com in 2 days if you have Prime.
I have the lock plates if you need some...PM me. |
Thanks - I have a some more stuff to order from ISPWest again so no biggie on the lock plates.
I did just score a pair of those NOS right side wheel cylinders in the classifieds. One of these days my car will be "safe" to drive again... |
Are these the cylinders you just bought?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1807098
If so, those are 64-65. |
you sure? the A in the parts book says Ch. No. 27850 to 221 974
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| Erik G wrote: |
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| Erik G wrote: |
| ataraxia wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
for a brand that has an office and warehouse in Houston - it sure isn't easy to buy Timken bearings locally. Cheap as chips on eBay though
Next question. Is that stupid axle double jam nut locking plate really only early type 3? I think it is, as it's a 311 part number. 66 bug went to the Allen style, that I thought I could use until I looked at the dust cap - Doh! |
You can get the bearings on Amazon.com in 2 days if you have Prime.
I have the lock plates if you need some...PM me. |
Thanks - I have a some more stuff to order from ISPWest again so no biggie on the lock plates.
I did just score a pair of those NOS right side wheel cylinders in the classifieds. One of these days my car will be "safe" to drive again... |
Are these the cylinders you just bought?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1807098
If so, those are 64-65. |
you sure? |
Yes.
61-63
64-65
Written part numbers aren't always correct. Note that he's listing early rear Variant cylinders, but they're two bolt.
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Another thing, that 22 on it, means that they're 22.2. Earlies are 20.64 I believe.
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mine are 22.2
Book says those early 20.64 are only to chassis 27849
Part A 22.2mm from 27850 to 221974
And that squarebacks already had the 22.2mm A part number on it from the beginning
I am reading this right, right?
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Do yours look like the ones you just bought? That's probably all that matters. 
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Erik G
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dunno, I'm at work and slapped everything back together this weekend when I saw that a bad lock plate allowed the right front nuts get too tight and wear out the bearings. Hope so - cause I'm tired of buying shit that doesn't fit and I really try to buy by part number
Edit - I just remembered. Mine definitely have L and R on them. When I blasted the driver side with brake clean - I saw the L and remembered that. So I think these are correct
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