Smallcar clutch disc dragging...... anyone else?!

ftp2leta · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:26 pm Post subject:

Long story short... new master, 1.5 hours of horrible bleeding, the hose from the brake reservoir had a crack so we where pushing air in at the same time.

Fixed.

Perfect bleed, slave won't do it's job, it's not pushing the pressure plate at all.

We can maybe get the gear to enter but only once and pedal to the floor.

I called Mao at SC and we are working on it.

My diagnostic, bad slave. In the morning I am... AGAIN removing the transmission and testing and changing the slave.

So I feel the OP frustration.

That said, SC have been fully cooperative. Don't forget that it's NOT my first bell housing install, over 12 or more.

I now have 2 van with similar problem.

And trust me, I will find what is the problem

Ben
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ftp2leta · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:02 pm Post subject:

I have the answer from Small car, I will not share it tonight because I'm to tired. The answer is scary. But at leat it was honest.

I'm tired and will sleep over it.

I will post it here tomorrow WITH their approval, I will ask Everett to monitor this thread because I don't want and feel like it should go down the drain.

I will not accept any stupid post from any of you.

Is that clear?

We are trying to go forward with out old van, let's work together.

Thanks you all.

Cheers, Ben
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insyncro · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:42 pm Post subject:

I'm all ears.
Curious to hear what gives.

furrylittleotter · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:05 pm Post subject:

Hello, sorry to hear you are continuing to have endless problems with your Clutch setup.

I'm sure you will figure it out with the manufacturers help.

Double check that it is bled properly

Neil2 Cool

ftp2leta · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:14 pm Post subject:

Not a pleasant and constructive read, I'm pissed about you people. Time to lock that thread... so sorry for the OP,

I'm just sick of you guys, the troll, the imbecile.

I feel sad tonight.

My 12 years knowledge is useless here.

No constructive post, and the last one is horrible.

I so had it

Ben
ps. ( this was my last post n the great samba)
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ledogboy · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:51 pm Post subject:

AKWesty · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:59 pm Post subject:

Neil,

Your bashing of Smallcar doesn't help anyone on this forum. I realize you have had your issues with your conversion. Slamming Smallcar makes this entire forum look like a bunch of foul mouthed whiners.

I would like to continue this discussion concerning Ben and my problems without you shutting the entire thread down with your rant. Please respect my request to no longer comment on this thread. I can't get any help from the rest of the Samba community when you shut down the conversation with a bunch of name calling and finger pointing.
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insyncro · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:19 am Post subject:

Bugger off back to your BS Vanagon Cult page Neil Fink Exclamation

ftp2leta · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:24 am Post subject:

Just removed the METAL slave, putting a plastic one.....

More to come soon

Ben
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kalispell365 · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:51 am Post subject:

Please continue Ben...I am all ears. Any chance you could provide measurements on that big washer please?

Thank you to all who are contributing.
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furrylittleotter · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:11 am Post subject:

ftp2leta · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject:

2 slave, 2 master, 1 quart of brake oil later, same problem.

This all happen when I installed that high pressure red plate...

I'm going the for the third time, 2 time today...

Changing that pressure plate for a good used one.

Ben
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ftp2leta · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:52 pm Post subject:

Ok, well, I don't get it.

60 minutes in and out Wink

-New SASCH dick that came with the hi pressure disk
-2011 low mile STOCK Subi pressure plate
-second new master
-Second new slave out of another van, plastic.
-Front spacer on the pedal shaft

Listen to that, if pedal is fully pressed, gear are really hard to get IN, engine running of course. If pressed in between 1/3 and 2/3 everything is super fine.

It's like the slave is returning back to friction point position when the pedal is fully pressed.

No I don't get it.

Going for a test ride

Ben
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Subi conversion: http://www.benplace.com/vanaru_eng.htm
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AKWesty · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:10 pm Post subject:

Ben, I hope you get this figured out soon. My pressure plate should be in the mail tomorrow. Hope to find time to get it installed in the next few days. Let us know how it goes. You seem to be on the verge of figuring out what the problem is with your clutch.
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ftp2leta · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:49 pm Post subject:

The Small Car high pressure plate... It's simply to strong, the slave can't deal with it

I'm, lost, i have tried everything.

furrylittleotter, eat me if you want, but I'm no popcorn.

I am so tired

Ben
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Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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My site: http://www.benplace.com/vw2.htm
Subi conversion: http://www.benplace.com/vanaru_eng.htm
Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/ftp2leta

AKWesty · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:56 pm Post subject:

Howesight · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:09 am Post subject:

Hey Ben:

I just had a thought. Is it possible that the plastic ring that restricts travel on the master cylinder needs to be removed during bleeding? I never used that ring on my SC bellhousing set up. I use a pedal travel restrictor I made myself, but I always bled the system with the full pedal travel.

P.S.: My setup uses the SC red pressure plate.
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61Scout · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:38 am Post subject:

I've been watching this thread with interest. Having read through this thread a couple of times, it seems to me the problem would lie in the disk. This is of course assuming the hydraulics were fine and that the input shaft is not dragging on the pilot or bottoming out in the end of the crank. Both of which seem to have been ruled out.

Just for fun I measured a new Subaru disk and found it to be 8.04mm thick. I don't have a new VW disk around, but I measured an old one and it measured at 8.74mm.

So if the Subaru disk is thinner than the VW disk to start, couldn't this be the source of the dragging problem? I realized this was touched on earlier in the thread, but I'm simply thinking out loud here. If I had a set up to play with I'd take it apart and try to figure it out.

To test my theory, one could space/shim out the PP from the flywheel, and hence create a larger space for the disk to live in. If this worked and provided smooth clutch operation, then it would seem to me that the VW disk is too thick. Though, I would not recommend this as a long term solution obviously, just to test the theory. If this proved out, I'd think a solution would be to surface the flywheel with a step down/in would be okay.

Just some thoughts here... I hope you guys figure it out soon.

-Kevin
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AKWesty · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject:

61Scout,

I think you are on it. Having those measurements is a big deal. You may be on to the solution to this problem.

The only reason I feel that the problem could still lie in my pressure plate is because so many are running the small car conversion with the stock subaru plate and stock vanagon disc. Why we MAY be having this problem while others do not is beyond me.

My pressure plate did not come in the mail today. I will measure and post my disc measurements when I pull it apart.
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84' Westy 2wd
EJ22 - 4spd - Peloquin TBD
GW +1.5 Springs
215/70-16's

www.CatchTheKraken.com

"Never go to Alaska as a young man because you'll never be satisfied with any other place as long as you live." -John Muir


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