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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2013 Posts: 544 Location: SLC
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:25 pm Post subject: How good are you? |
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Can you identify what the engine mods are my car are?
I bought this from an older gentleman after his son (who had the motor built) passed away. I am trying to get closer on the details of the motor setup then I currently am.
I was able to talk to the shop that built the motor and found out that it is a 2333 with a tuck away turbo but the shop didn't have any more details in their system - I guess it had been a couple years since they had done the work.
There are a couple more pics in my gallery and I can take/post more if you guys can tell me what would be helpful. |
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I can see some type 3 cylinder cooling tins which are likely detrimental to your cooling abilities...
What'd you pay for that beast, if you don't mind me asking? |
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kamesama980 Samba Member
Joined: June 22, 2014 Posts: 323 Location: Columbus, IN
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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no intercooler-not so good but probably not running enough boost to be a problem.
blow-through carbs-have fun with that! no thanks
009-style distributor: no vaccum-advance, no boost-retard. VERY much less than ideal but probably the best you can do without electronic controls.
In the shot under the engine bay, is that adjustable diaphragm device on a wastegate? blow-off valve? fuel pressure regulator?
Other than that, I got nothin'. Not a VW expert.
Need more pics no matter what! _________________ -Russell
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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LivinInnaVWBus wrote: |
I can see some type 3 cylinder cooling tins which are likely detrimental to your cooling abilities...
What'd you pay for that beast, if you don't mind me asking? |
It's a 63'/64 (early 64') ragtop and I paid $1,500. It had been sitting for a couple years and I wasn't able to even hook up a battery to see if it would turn so I talked him down quite a bit. |
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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kamesama980 wrote: |
no intercooler-not so good but probably not running enough boost to be a problem.
blow-through carbs-have fun with that! no thanks
009-style distributor: no vaccum-advance, no boost-retard. VERY much less than ideal but probably the best you can do without electronic controls.
In the shot under the engine bay, is that adjustable diaphragm device on a wastegate? blow-off valve? fuel pressure regulator?
Other than that, I got nothin'. Not a VW expert.
Need more pics no matter what! |
What are the pros/cons of blow-through vs. pull-through? I would imagine that blow through are harder to synchronize and tune...
It actually has an MSD 6AL ignition controller in the cabin.
Here is a shot of the pressure regulator...
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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arizonabuckeye wrote: |
LivinInnaVWBus wrote: |
I can see some type 3 cylinder cooling tins which are likely detrimental to your cooling abilities...
What'd you pay for that beast, if you don't mind me asking? |
It's a 63'/64 (early 64') ragtop and I paid $1,500. It had been sitting for a couple years and I wasn't able to even hook up a battery to see if it would turn so I talked him down quite a bit. |
You scored. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: How good are you? |
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That's an old CB Performance turbo kit.
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Ghia Nut Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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dude, thats a good ass score. 1500 in parts in just the engine alone. _________________ '59 typ1 rajay turbo
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TinCanFab Samba Member
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vugbug68 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Ghia Nut wrote: |
dude, thats a good ass score. 1500 in parts in just the engine alone. |
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kamesama980 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Yes, Good score.
$$$ in the engine bay but if it's been sitting who knows. Does it run/drive OK?
the problem with blow-through is the carbs have to be sealed and fuel pressure has to be able to overcome boost pressure to fill the bowls. building the system is harder and tuning is harder because carbs don't see air density/temperature.
draw-through work well and are somewhat easier/cheaper because they don't have to be sealed and don't have to have fuel pressure boosted BUT you're now compressing and heating fuel/air mixture.
Carbs+boost aren't much fun either way but if it's running now, leave it. installing and tuning EFI isn't exactly a cake-walk for someone inexperienced either. _________________ -Russell
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2013 Posts: 544 Location: SLC
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah - It's not running as of now. I have been able to put in a battery and it turns fine but no spark. The PO had pulled out all the rubber fuel line and the fuel pump was toast. It has taken me some time to get around to those and some other projects on it before I am going to dig into getting it running again.
I did find out the reason it wasn't getting spark was because the little white selector thing on the side of the MSD ignition had been pulled out. Found it after removing the passenger seat to start removing the tar board.
It's got a remote oil cooler so hopefully it will compensate for the 911 fan... |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4848 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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The fuel pressure regulator you have keeps fuel pressure 2-3 psi above boost. And all cb carbed turbo kits had sealed carbs, they work very well. I had one on a 1776 that ran 12's in the quarter and was as drivable as a stock Honda. I agree, efi is better but in the early 90's there was not a better turbo kit _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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More pics as promised:
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SBD Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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bugguy076 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:03 am Post subject: |
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You have a lot more restraint than I do. I would be tring to get it running as soon as it was at my place.
Change the oil in the engine and tranny to look for any damage.
You got a hell of a deal. The turbo kit costs more than you paid for the car.
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: |
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fan can be fixed to cool proplely the cool tins are fine also. looks like you scored a nice car,just needs some tlc.but if you dont have a clue how are you going to do it?? |
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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It's not that I don't have a clue I just don't know about this one specifically. I have had muscle cars and have loved VW's most of my life, so I know how to turn a wrench. I had been looking for a ragtop when this one fell in my lap. |
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arizonabuckeye Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Ok. Front end is done and reassembled. Now on to getting it running.
Got fuel restored back to carbs but they don't seem to be putting anything out... Can I pour gas directly into the float or should they fill automatically? How does that work with the pressure regulator? Shouldn't they be filling right away?
Also it doesn't seem to be getting any spark. I put a bit of gas down the venturi's but didn't get anything that would make me think it had spark. Due to tight spaces I didn't pull the spark plugs but I did do a troubleshooting step I found on the MSD website. Have you guys heard of any problems with the MSD 6AL ignition modules? I have a normal Bosch coil and I checked the distributor which looks good. Is the Bosch coil a bad match for that ignition? Is the ignition module even necessary?
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mcmscott Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Your fuel pump is plugged with rotten fuel. It just so happens to be a high pressure efi pump. Should be under the tank, there is also a return from the regulator back to the tank. _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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