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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:25 pm    Post subject: How good are you? Reply with quote

Can you identify what the engine mods are my car are?

I bought this from an older gentleman after his son (who had the motor built) passed away. I am trying to get closer on the details of the motor setup then I currently am.

I was able to talk to the shop that built the motor and found out that it is a 2333 with a tuck away turbo but the shop didn't have any more details in their system - I guess it had been a couple years since they had done the work.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see some type 3 cylinder cooling tins which are likely detrimental to your cooling abilities... Twisted Evil

What'd you pay for that beast, if you don't mind me asking?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no intercooler-not so good but probably not running enough boost to be a problem.
blow-through carbs-have fun with that! Evil or Very Mad no thanks
009-style distributor: no vaccum-advance, no boost-retard. VERY much less than ideal but probably the best you can do without electronic controls.
In the shot under the engine bay, is that adjustable diaphragm device on a wastegate? blow-off valve? fuel pressure regulator?

Other than that, I got nothin'. Not a VW expert.

Need more pics no matter what!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LivinInnaVWBus wrote:
I can see some type 3 cylinder cooling tins which are likely detrimental to your cooling abilities... Twisted Evil

What'd you pay for that beast, if you don't mind me asking?


It's a 63'/64 (early 64') ragtop and I paid $1,500. It had been sitting for a couple years and I wasn't able to even hook up a battery to see if it would turn so I talked him down quite a bit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kamesama980 wrote:
no intercooler-not so good but probably not running enough boost to be a problem.
blow-through carbs-have fun with that! Evil or Very Mad no thanks
009-style distributor: no vaccum-advance, no boost-retard. VERY much less than ideal but probably the best you can do without electronic controls.
In the shot under the engine bay, is that adjustable diaphragm device on a wastegate? blow-off valve? fuel pressure regulator?

Other than that, I got nothin'. Not a VW expert.

Need more pics no matter what!


What are the pros/cons of blow-through vs. pull-through? I would imagine that blow through are harder to synchronize and tune...

It actually has an MSD 6AL ignition controller in the cabin.

Here is a shot of the pressure regulator...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LivinInnaVWBus wrote:
I can see some type 3 cylinder cooling tins which are likely detrimental to your cooling abilities... Twisted Evil

What'd you pay for that beast, if you don't mind me asking?


It's a 63'/64 (early 64') ragtop and I paid $1,500. It had been sitting for a couple years and I wasn't able to even hook up a battery to see if it would turn so I talked him down quite a bit.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: How good are you? Reply with quote

That's an old CB Performance turbo kit.

Swing axle trans.

New SR17 Starter

11 blade 911 (Porsche) fan and cooling system (they stink, but look impressive).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude, thats a good ass score. 1500 in parts in just the engine alone.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could have a lot of potential. The fan and super cool tins have to go, as well as staying carbed. I just wouldn't want to deal with it. EFI turbo or plain dual carbs and adjustments to the engine as needed. Very cool buy. Megasquirt that thing
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dude, thats a good ass score. 1500 in parts in just the engine alone.

I'd say over 3k in the engine
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Good score.

$$$ in the engine bay but if it's been sitting who knows. Does it run/drive OK?

the problem with blow-through is the carbs have to be sealed and fuel pressure has to be able to overcome boost pressure to fill the bowls. building the system is harder and tuning is harder because carbs don't see air density/temperature.

draw-through work well and are somewhat easier/cheaper because they don't have to be sealed and don't have to have fuel pressure boosted BUT you're now compressing and heating fuel/air mixture.

Carbs+boost aren't much fun either way but if it's running now, leave it. installing and tuning EFI isn't exactly a cake-walk for someone inexperienced either.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah - It's not running as of now. I have been able to put in a battery and it turns fine but no spark. The PO had pulled out all the rubber fuel line and the fuel pump was toast. It has taken me some time to get around to those and some other projects on it before I am going to dig into getting it running again.

I did find out the reason it wasn't getting spark was because the little white selector thing on the side of the MSD ignition had been pulled out. Found it after removing the passenger seat to start removing the tar board.

It's got a remote oil cooler so hopefully it will compensate for the 911 fan...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fuel pressure regulator you have keeps fuel pressure 2-3 psi above boost. And all cb carbed turbo kits had sealed carbs, they work very well. I had one on a 1776 that ran 12's in the quarter and was as drivable as a stock Honda. I agree, efi is better but in the early 90's there was not a better turbo kit
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a lot more restraint than I do. I would be tring to get it running as soon as it was at my place.
Change the oil in the engine and tranny to look for any damage.
You got a hell of a deal. The turbo kit costs more than you paid for the car.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fan can be fixed to cool proplely the cool tins are fine also. looks like you scored a nice car,just needs some tlc.but if you dont have a clue how are you going to do it??
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that I don't have a clue I just don't know about this one specifically. I have had muscle cars and have loved VW's most of my life, so I know how to turn a wrench. Wink I had been looking for a ragtop when this one fell in my lap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. Front end is done and reassembled. Now on to getting it running.

Got fuel restored back to carbs but they don't seem to be putting anything out... Can I pour gas directly into the float or should they fill automatically? How does that work with the pressure regulator? Shouldn't they be filling right away?

Also it doesn't seem to be getting any spark. I put a bit of gas down the venturi's but didn't get anything that would make me think it had spark. Due to tight spaces I didn't pull the spark plugs but I did do a troubleshooting step I found on the MSD website. Have you guys heard of any problems with the MSD 6AL ignition modules? I have a normal Bosch coil and I checked the distributor which looks good. Is the Bosch coil a bad match for that ignition? Is the ignition module even necessary?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your fuel pump is plugged with rotten fuel. It just so happens to be a high pressure efi pump. Should be under the tank, there is also a return from the regulator back to the tank.
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